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Yutong E12 trial (490)

Started by Barry Drive, November 11, 2019, 10:08:07 am

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Barry Drive

November 11, 2019, 10:08:07 am Last Edit: December 25, 2019, 11:13:27 am by Barry Drive
TC have just announced that a Yutong E12 will enter service next month for a 12 month trial.

Another Yutong is currently in Sydney with Transit Systems after previously being with Premier in Nowra.

While it's currently white, it will be wrapped prior to entering service.

Fleet number not yet revealed.

Sylvan Loves Buses

I'll be sure to keep an eye out behind the depots fences to get some early access photos for you now that ANU is finished for the year.

Busnerd


Sylvan Loves Buses

Damn, and I thought the roof of the BYD's looked weird.

Bus 503

Anyone else think that it would look nice in the green/orange livery?
Also, anyone know what the yellow buttons do next to the doors? Are they similar to the door opening buttons on the trams?

Barry Drive

We'll know for sure when it comes into service, but it's likely those are the emergency door release buttons.

Sylvan Loves Buses

Quote from: Bus 503 on November 16, 2019, 09:10:09 amAnyone else think that it would look nice in the green/orange livery?

Sure, I couldn't stand it if any more boring colours entered the fleet...

So I went around Tuggeranong Depot yesterday to see if I could find the new bus. I almost gave up on hope when I went all the way around, but I found it hiding between the others in the same sneaky hiding spot as 710 once sat - was expecting it where I found the others.
Due to this I was unable to get actual good shots on my camera, but shown below are the only two points (carpark and lost property gate) that it is visible at the moment.
Still no word on my part of its number, but if it helps in any way for the information gathering, its NSW plate is MO6966.

Also in case anyone didn't know, 954 is now being used for parts :'(.


Buzz Killington

Quote from: Bus 503 on November 16, 2019, 09:10:09 amAnyone else think that it would look nice in the green/orange livery?

I'm yet to see a bus that looks nice in the green/orange livery.

triumph

Quote from: Barry Drive on November 11, 2019, 10:08:07 amTC have just announced that a Yutong E12 will enter service next month for a 12 month trial.

From a 'few leaves blowing in the wind', next month might turn out to be January.

Sylvan Loves Buses

Still no fleet number that I could see, but at least it's not just a bland white now.


Busnerd

You must've gone too early as it has been registered on ACT Bus Plates now, with fleet number revealed, it's one we've seen before ;)

Sylvan Loves Buses

Yup, I took that photo at 8am yesterday. I have since been back 8am this morning to see plate BUS 490 recycled on it. I have an identical photo without cars in the way this time, but I'm posting this from the Civic Library so I can't upload it.

triumph

The Fleet Wiki notes that BUS490 was delivered on 8/11/2019 and annual lease charge is $122,000. It is not yet been reported in revenue service.
This raises the question of when is the lease 'flagfall'? If on or shortly after delivery then just over $20,000 has already been expended for no revenue/trial use!
Hopefully the lease actually runs from nearer when it enters service, but, to me, that would seem to be remarkably generous and thus unlikely.

Barry Drive

I've had a look, but can't find a contract for this bus. Additionally, assuming the lease payments are monthly, they fall below the $25000 threshold to be listed on the reportable payments register.

So basically, there's nothing public to say what is payable or has been paid.

All I can confirm is that 490 is not in service.

Barry Drive

Update: the contract details have now been posted.

It shows it as a 12 month lease from 10 Dec 2019 to 9 Dec 2020.

triumph

Quote from: Barry Drive on February 12, 2020, 11:25:33 amIt shows it as a 12 month lease from 10 Dec 2019 to 9 Dec 2020.

So, the lease is in effect thus any supplier issues have been resolved, it is registered and thus accepted as roadworthy, and TC already has experience and facilities in electric bus opeation, and yet it is not in service 2 months into the lease. Since it has actually been here 3 months, it seems unlikely that the hold up is bureaucratic, so could it be that there is an 'industrial' problem?

Sylvan Loves Buses

Well I was told about a month ago it was not roadworthy, I would've expected by now that it would be, but nope, we're having a 711 repeat on our hands.

Barry Drive

In so far as drivers need to be trained first, there is an 'industrial' issue, but no more than for any other new bus model.

If there were genuine roadworthy issues, there may be remedies in the contract (I didn't read it thoroughly). In any case, Minister Steel released a video yesterday proclaiming that it is in service (even though it isn't), so it can't be too much longer.

triumph

Quote from: Barry Drive on February 13, 2020, 08:53:02 amIn so far as drivers need to be trained first, there is an 'industrial' issue, but no more than for any other new bus model.

If there were genuine roadworthy issues, there may be remedies in the contract (I didn't read it thoroughly). In any case, Minister Steel released a video yesterday proclaiming that it is in service (even though it isn't), so it can't be too much longer.

I think the point on roadworthy I tried to make was that it must have been roadworthy to achieve registration 2 months back.

As for training, TC has had recent experience with 710 and 711. Therefore there has to be a pool of experienced drivers and maintainers to draw on, and suitable infrastructure (charging batteries) and systems already in place. On the face of it, all that was needed was one day conversion training for specific features of the Yutong E12, and kitting out the bus with TC specific items like PID, MyWay machine and placards. This surely didn't need to take 3 months (2 since start of lease) and a lease cost of over $20,000 for no service in the first 2 months of the lease. If the fly in the ointment wasn't 'industrial' then again, on the face of it, TC has been extraordinarily inefficient. Perhaps Christmas annual leave of some key persons has something to do with it, but 3 months.....

(BTW a young fellow I know, 3 weeks ago successfully did a one day training course and upgraded his ACT licence from light vehicle (car) to heavy rigid. He is already driving a full size coach in private use for his ACT employer. Thus, even if TC chose to go with a totally inexperienced driver and allowing for the extra training TC wisely would require, including training in specific TC systems, routes, etc it doesn't really explain the costly long delay.)

The absence of a plain explanation by TC or the Minister is what leads to speculation to fill the vacuum.

Sylvan Loves Buses

Quote from: triumph on February 15, 2020, 11:23:47 pmkitting out the bus with TC specific items
That stuff was done straight away, there's something else going on.

Sylvan Loves Buses

Sorry for the second reply, but whilst doing my POTM's, I thought I'd add these as I found them just sitting there in my camera.
These are the literal day-for-day shots of 490's switch between number plates.


17 Dec 7:59am


18 Dec 8:02am

Yup more booty shots. Couldn't help that due to the position it was sitting in, and I'm not illegally squeezing through 5 inch wide titanium (or whatever they are) bars to get a front on shot so I can do a drawing faster, nah I can wait. The surface of the ground in that spot is treacherous enough to stand on as it is.