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Yutong E12 trial (490)

Started by Barry Drive, November 11, 2019, 09:08:07 am

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Barry Drive

November 11, 2019, 09:08:07 am Last Edit: December 25, 2019, 10:13:27 am by Barry Drive
TC have just announced that a Yutong E12 will enter service next month for a 12 month trial.

Another Yutong is currently in Sydney with Transit Systems after previously being with Premier in Nowra.

While it's currently white, it will be wrapped prior to entering service.

Fleet number not yet revealed.

Sylvan Loves Buses

I'll be sure to keep an eye out behind the depots fences to get some early access photos for you now that ANU is finished for the year.

Busnerd


Sylvan Loves Buses

Damn, and I thought the roof of the BYD's looked weird.

Bus 503

Anyone else think that it would look nice in the green/orange livery?
Also, anyone know what the yellow buttons do next to the doors? Are they similar to the door opening buttons on the trams?

Barry Drive

We'll know for sure when it comes into service, but it's likely those are the emergency door release buttons.

Sylvan Loves Buses

Quote from: Bus 503 on November 16, 2019, 08:10:09 amAnyone else think that it would look nice in the green/orange livery?

Sure, I couldn't stand it if any more boring colours entered the fleet...

So I went around Tuggeranong Depot yesterday to see if I could find the new bus. I almost gave up on hope when I went all the way around, but I found it hiding between the others in the same sneaky hiding spot as 710 once sat - was expecting it where I found the others.
Due to this I was unable to get actual good shots on my camera, but shown below are the only two points (carpark and lost property gate) that it is visible at the moment.
Still no word on my part of its number, but if it helps in any way for the information gathering, its NSW plate is MO6966.

Also in case anyone didn't know, 954 is now being used for parts :'(.


Buzz Killington

Quote from: Bus 503 on November 16, 2019, 08:10:09 amAnyone else think that it would look nice in the green/orange livery?

I'm yet to see a bus that looks nice in the green/orange livery.

triumph

Quote from: Barry Drive on November 11, 2019, 09:08:07 amTC have just announced that a Yutong E12 will enter service next month for a 12 month trial.

From a 'few leaves blowing in the wind', next month might turn out to be January.

Sylvan Loves Buses

Still no fleet number that I could see, but at least it's not just a bland white now.


Busnerd

You must've gone too early as it has been registered on ACT Bus Plates now, with fleet number revealed, it's one we've seen before ;)

Sylvan Loves Buses

Yup, I took that photo at 8am yesterday. I have since been back 8am this morning to see plate BUS 490 recycled on it. I have an identical photo without cars in the way this time, but I'm posting this from the Civic Library so I can't upload it.

triumph

The Fleet Wiki notes that BUS490 was delivered on 8/11/2019 and annual lease charge is $122,000. It is not yet been reported in revenue service.
This raises the question of when is the lease 'flagfall'? If on or shortly after delivery then just over $20,000 has already been expended for no revenue/trial use!
Hopefully the lease actually runs from nearer when it enters service, but, to me, that would seem to be remarkably generous and thus unlikely.

Barry Drive

I've had a look, but can't find a contract for this bus. Additionally, assuming the lease payments are monthly, they fall below the $25000 threshold to be listed on the reportable payments register.

So basically, there's nothing public to say what is payable or has been paid.

All I can confirm is that 490 is not in service.

Barry Drive

Update: the contract details have now been posted.

It shows it as a 12 month lease from 10 Dec 2019 to 9 Dec 2020.

triumph

Quote from: Barry Drive on February 12, 2020, 10:25:33 amIt shows it as a 12 month lease from 10 Dec 2019 to 9 Dec 2020.

So, the lease is in effect thus any supplier issues have been resolved, it is registered and thus accepted as roadworthy, and TC already has experience and facilities in electric bus opeation, and yet it is not in service 2 months into the lease. Since it has actually been here 3 months, it seems unlikely that the hold up is bureaucratic, so could it be that there is an 'industrial' problem?

Sylvan Loves Buses

Well I was told about a month ago it was not roadworthy, I would've expected by now that it would be, but nope, we're having a 711 repeat on our hands.

Barry Drive

In so far as drivers need to be trained first, there is an 'industrial' issue, but no more than for any other new bus model.

If there were genuine roadworthy issues, there may be remedies in the contract (I didn't read it thoroughly). In any case, Minister Steel released a video yesterday proclaiming that it is in service (even though it isn't), so it can't be too much longer.

triumph

Fleet wiki says 490 entered service 20th March this year.
Since then there appears to be no reported rides (not surprising in present circumstances) or sightings.
Is it out and about routinely now? Anyone seen it about?

King of Buses

Quote from: triumph on April 17, 2020, 10:54:27 pmIs it out and about routinely now? Anyone seen it about?


Yes. I see it most days. Has even ventured out on weekends a couple of times.

Toyota Camry

I have not seen it yet, however I have not left my home in Ngunnawal for around 6 weeks due to COVID-19; the only exception has been to collect UberEATS & Coles Online orders from the front of my premises.

Sylvan Loves Buses

Huh? I thought it was still stuck in the depot due to a supposed Chinese part that was unable to be delivered, is this no longer the case (or was it ever)?

Bus 503

Quote from: triumph on April 17, 2020, 10:54:27 pmFleet wiki says 490 entered service 20th March this year.
Since then there appears to be no reported rides (not surprising in present circumstances) or sightings.
Is it out and about routinely now? Anyone seen it about?

You can actually search by fleet number on AnyTrip, which allows you to quickly see if a particular bus is currently running a trip.




Busnerd

Quote from: Toyota Camry on April 18, 2020, 10:01:26 pmI have not seen it yet, however I have not left my home in Ngunnawal for around 6 weeks due to COVID-19; the only exception has been to collect UberEATS & Coles Online orders from the front of my premises.
Weren't online orders suspended for vulnerably/seniors a while back? Meaning unless you fit this category (unlikely as an EL1) how did they deliver to you?

King of Buses

Quote from: Sylvan Loves Buses on April 19, 2020, 08:39:33 amHuh? I thought it was still stuck in the depot due to a supposed Chinese part that was unable to be delivered, is this no longer the case (or was it ever)?

It may or may not have been awaiting a part beforehand, who knows, but it entered service on the 20th March and has been out most weekdays and a few times on the weekends too - and generally not just for one or two runs, but most of the day.


Sylvan Loves Buses

Well I must be going out too early for it, or it's just not out on days I have been cause I have yet to see it.

Sylvan Loves Buses

Quote from: Sylvan Loves Buses on April 19, 2020, 11:28:40 pmit's just not out on days I have been

Sorry, I meant 'on days when I am'.

Toyota Camry

Quote from: Busnerd on April 19, 2020, 04:15:59 pmWeren't online orders suspended for vulnerably/seniors a while back? Meaning unless you fit this category (unlikely as an EL1) how did they deliver to you?
After this decision was made, I was utilising a website named 'Airtasker' to get my shopping delivered from Coles Amaroo; it was more expensive than a standard Coles Online delivery, however very reliable.

triumph

Have now had 2 rides on 490. First rte 66 Woden - Cooleman Court via Denman Prospect, and second rte R7 City West - Cooleman Court.

Like the previously trialled 2 all electric buses, the suspension/ride is disappointly harsh compared with other buses. I attribute that to the greater unsprung mass of the hub drives, but could well be also a suspension designed for very smooth pavements. Either way, the imperfections of Canberra's roads are brought into sharp focus.

Otherwise, it seemed like a normal bus except for no diesel noises and a subdued hum/whine (less intrusive than the previously trialled pair). One noticeable difference is the plethora of next stop call buttons. This is to be highly commended. At the back each row of seats across the aisle have buttons at the aisle and at the walls!

On the second trip I sat at the very rear, where it was obvious from the thumping and groaning that something was loose underneath.

No doubt these sort of maintenance issues and other technical operating factors and costs will be the focus of the current trial. What is disappointing though is that TC don't appear to have made any significant effort to seek customer feedback, yet customer satisfaction should be a major input of the trials.