Started by King of Buses, October 16, 2018, 07:53:41 am
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Quote from: Northside on October 16, 2018, 02:16:14 pmDown south, I still don't understand why the 180 and 181 don't service Tuggeranong TC. If you had the two routes simply as peak extensions from Tuggers to the city, then you can have a combined frequent peak express to Tuggeranong and you don't need to run 181s and 81s (and 180/80) at the same time because the peak route completely replaces the local. It's just weird that they don't consider this!
Quote from: Busfanatic101 on October 16, 2018, 11:36:39 amReally need the revised frequencies to comment further on this
Quote from: Toyota Camry on October 16, 2018, 09:22:43 amThis change is a huge letdown for Lanyon Valley passengers; it is the R5 that should have been cut, not the R4, as these people want a direct trip to Tuggeranong, Woden and Civic, they are not wanting to visit Calwell, Erindale, Forrest, Barton and Russell.
Quote from: lukeo25 on October 16, 2018, 11:27:35 amI'm awaiting news about the service to Hume.
Quote from: Sylvan Loves Buses on October 16, 2018, 08:39:36 pmit's a much quicker and quieter way to get to south Narrabundah than the 6.
Quotelack of a Woden bound Wanniassa bus closer to Kambah than the twice-as-far-to-walk-Wanniassa-P&R-vs-64-Vosper-street option...
Quote from: Sylvan Loves Buses on October 17, 2018, 12:03:52 pmHume is an industrial suburb just like Mitchell and Fyshwick, although not as large, it should still have a service - at least once or twice each way a day. Like Gleneagles, the patronage is very small, but it should be considered due to the few patrons who do use it.
Quote from: Sylvan Loves Buses on October 17, 2018, 07:36:23 pmFrom how much money TC wasted on dead-runs due to poorly constructed shifts these past few years I'm sure a few extra unnecessary-for-everyone routes really wouldn't hurt that much.
Quote from: Sylvan Loves Buses on October 17, 2018, 12:03:52 pmBecause not all of us are athletes
Quote from: triumph on March 14, 2019, 10:43:35 pmThe Emu Bank stop is just that, a blade on a pole. At least the Eastern Valley Way stop has a shelter.
Quote from: undefinedbus stationnouna place in a town where buses arrive and depart.
QuoteI find the route 50 and route 51 crossover quite odd. If TC is aiming for more direct routes, then why does the route 51 not continue all the way up Brigalow Street, instead doing what the route 50 should do and going up Mackennal and Archibald? The route 50 should continue all the way up Miller Street, which flows into Mackennal Street, avoiding the crossover with the route 51.
So the 8 Rapid buses will service 420 stops, 53 new Bus stops will be opened.But the big news is closure of 731 bus stops in Canberra. That's roughly 23% of all bus stops currently in use as school only or route services.Next challenge is to compare amount of services currently pic.twitter.com/eog1UmkosQ— Bus 400 (@Bus400) March 26, 2019
So the 8 Rapid buses will service 420 stops, 53 new Bus stops will be opened.But the big news is closure of 731 bus stops in Canberra. That's roughly 23% of all bus stops currently in use as school only or route services.Next challenge is to compare amount of services currently pic.twitter.com/eog1UmkosQ
Quote from: Busfanatic101 on March 29, 2019, 09:58:34 pmAdd in Hall, Oaks Estate, Uriarra Village and Gleneagles while they're at it lol...
Quote from: Bus 503 on March 30, 2019, 08:47:18 amI find the route 50 and route 51 crossover quite odd. If TC is aiming for more direct routes, then why does the route 51 not continue all the way up Brigalow Street, instead doing what the route 50 should do and going up Mackennal and Archibald? The route 50 should continue all the way up Miller Street, which flows into Mackennal Street, avoiding the crossover with the route 51.
Quote from: Bus 503 on March 30, 2019, 08:47:18 amI also don't understand the logic of sending the route 56 down Constitution Avenue. The most direct route is for it to go over Commonwealth Avenue and not waste time going down Constitution Avenue, which is already well-serviced by the R3, R5 and the 182.
Quote from: Bus 503 on April 13, 2019, 04:19:57 pmSomething that seems quite odd is that two route 31s get to Cohen Street with a one minute gap between them: the 14:44 route 31 from the City gets to Cohen Street at 15:28, and the route 31 beginning at Kaleen Primary gets to Cohen Street at 15:29.Couldn't TC have scheduled it so that the 14:44 service also serviced the Kaleen schools instead of having one bus for for the "school service" 31 and one for the "normal" 31?
Quote from: King of Buses on March 30, 2019, 10:32:24 amIt's to service Lyneham Shops. I believe there was a bit of backlash in the consultation about that. The fact that it won't service the same stops there though is a bit of a problem. Only simple fix I guess would've been for the 50 to use Scrivener/Brigalow rather than Miller/Wattle, which would've reduced coverage a little bit (no worse than the current 936/937 though), but would've meant the Brigalow St stops just south of the Wattle St roundabout would've been a set of common stops.
Quote from: Toyota Camry on April 21, 2019, 08:26:25 amIt may be worth considering the operation of a separate shuttle route number 52, to provide a shuttle between Stop 3118 and Lyneham Shops; this would be an ideal run for the Dennis Dart vehicles that are about to be withdrawn. I am proposing that one bus could operate this service at a 30 minute daytime frequency; during peak hours it could operate every 20 minutes.At night and on weekends, it may be more worthwhile to operate the route using full size buses operating special to & from Dickson Interchange; this would reduce excessive layover times on a 60 minute frequency.
Quote from: Busfanatic101 on April 21, 2019, 09:32:55 amAre you serious?? Deploy another bus and pay another driver to drive a few hundred metres twice an hour?
Quote from: Busfanatic101 on April 21, 2019, 09:32:55 amAnd that would be a better deal than the current cross over which might add 30 seconds to each trip?
Quote from: Busfanatic101 on April 21, 2019, 09:32:55 amAlso why would you add a shuttle bus to Dickson when there are already 2 buses from that location to Dickson?
Quote from: Busfanatic101 on April 21, 2019, 09:32:55 amNot to mention the extra costs of maintaining an additional bus type for a 800m shuttle.
Quote from: Toyota Camry on April 21, 2019, 11:11:55 amThis would create an equivalent of four new FTE (full time equivalent) positions for bus operators; it is the role of government to improve the economy and create jobs, something the Barr Government has been excellent at achieving.
Quote from: Busfanatic101 on April 21, 2019, 09:32:55 amAre you serious??
Quote from: Barry Drive on April 28, 2019, 10:53:11 amAlso, new timetables have begun to appear at suburban stops.
Quote from: Toyota Camry on April 29, 2019, 10:39:58 amSocial media is painting a picture of an absolute disaster on the buses this morning; it will be interesting to see if the new network remains after this week, or if an emergency reversion to the old network takes place
Quote from: Sylvan Loves Buses on April 22, 2019, 05:44:21 amQuote from: Toyota Camry on April 21, 2019, 09:03:54 pmthis leaves the Renault PR100.3s in particular extremely likely to disappear after next Friday.I seriously doubt this will be the case during peak, there's a lot of rapids more now than ever, I'm sure there's going to be a few if not most Renault's out. Still, I've been wrong before, we'll just have to wait and see.
Quote from: Toyota Camry on April 21, 2019, 09:03:54 pmthis leaves the Renault PR100.3s in particular extremely likely to disappear after next Friday.
Quote from: Sylvan...and I thought steer-tags were not allowed on Langdon Avenue..."
Quote from: Toyota Camry on April 29, 2019, 10:39:58 amSocial media is painting a picture of an absolute disaster on the buses this morning; it will be interesting to see if the new network remains after this week, or if an emergency reversion to the old network takes place.
Quote from: Toyota Camry on May 03, 2019, 10:22:12 amIt appears that buses longer than 12 metres are banned from the R3; despite heavy steer tag and articulated utilisation on the R4, and heavy articulated utilisation on the R2, it does not appear that a single sighting has been made of any non-standard buses on the R3. I am unsure as to which part of the route is the issue, but suspect it is the eastern section; former route 315 was serviced regularly by articulated and steer tag vehicles.
Quote from: triumph on April 29, 2019, 11:08:06 pmBut in the City, the Interactive Panel outside Maccas showed 56,57, and 58 incorrectly departing from Platform 1. Oh dear, how could they so badly misdirect patrons? Platform 1 is now far away on the other side of Northbourne Ave in Alinga St. Actual departure platform is now 10 (significantly, formerly no.1) at Bailey's Corner. It would be better to switch the display right off than show such serious misinformation. It seems likely to me that this was happening all day and implies that numerous staff on hand didn't see any need to regularly verify the displays' accuracy. Very poor PR and reflection on IT Transport Canberra's IT experts.
Quote from: Busnerd on May 05, 2019, 08:48:12 amI don't think that in any way would be 'elder abuse' in fact, most elderly people either wouldn't be able to read the small orange text, and most probably wouldn't even notice it considering they're mounted fairly high, as a regular PT user myself I often notice half the information on the nxt bus screens is wrong or inconsistent anyway so I usually don't use them.
Quote from: triumph on May 06, 2019, 11:19:37 pmNot quite sure how to respond to your assumptions on senior citizens. What do you think of as 'elder'? Only those in medium/high care nursing facilities occasionally venturing into town by bus? Age affects in many different ways, but many 'elderly' people (some in their late 90s and even over 100) retain and use driving licences with appropriate visual acuity requirements (enforced by regularly required medicals), but some of these folk, when not driving, would struggle to walk additional distances to Plat 1 and then back to Plat 10 City Interchange, due (say) to hip and knee issues. They plan bus journeys carefully to limit walking to their capacity (which can vary quite a lot, day to day and even during the day). Many 'elderly' pride themselves on independence and might very well refer to the panels (I know one who regularly does so).May I politely suggest you give some thought to what appear to be your preconceived notions of what an 'elderly' person is like.Thank you for your comments on your use of the panels, effectively they support my view that the panels should be turned off if seriously inaccurate.
Quote from: Busfanatic101 on May 07, 2019, 11:23:16 amThe point is it does not target anyone, it would confuse everyone equally. So it is not elder abuse just as it is not child abuse, bus spotter abuse, middle-aged commuter abuse, or [insert anything here] abuse.
Quote from: Busfanatic101 on May 07, 2019, 11:23:16 am[insert anything here] abuse.
Quote from: Sylvan Loves Buses on May 08, 2019, 04:58:08 amHow about Canberra's large population of 'less-able' (disabled) patrons?
Quote from: triumph on May 04, 2019, 12:13:10 am...., is very unkind to say the least, and some would say it verges on 'elder abuse'.
Quote from: triumph'elder abuse'
Quote from: triumph on May 16, 2019, 11:18:04 pmThat panel outside Maccas at the City Interchange is continuing to display Platform 1 incorrectly for Platform 10. Further comment would involve severely intemperate words ...................(One thing seems probable from this saga - TC does not monitor this Forum.)
Quote from: Busfanatic101 on May 17, 2019, 10:27:59 amWhy don't you update us when there is a change, rather than when there isn't. Also, you should send them the feedback via the formal channels (ie. Access Canberra) if it bothers you so much. I don't hear you complaining about 'child abuse' regarding the fact only 3.2 digits of school bus routes fit within the screen. Do I detect some bias here? Get over it.
Quote from: Sylvan Loves Buses on May 18, 2019, 01:13:28 pmHere's the thing though, I'm still not getting why they changed the school runs from 3 to 4 digit numbers, cause of the new network the highest number has been made the 182, this should mean they have about 800 other numbers to choose from, why would they go to 4 digits esp as the Renault's only just fit the number on the side desto and the gas MAN make the number so tiny you can barely see it from a distance (on the side and rear)?
Quote from: Buzz Killington on May 19, 2019, 11:52:05 amThe four digit route numbers are ridiculous.
Quote from: Bus 503 on May 25, 2019, 04:22:23 pmI'm noticing a lot more general lateness in the network. If you look at recent departures on Nextthere, you'll see that almost all services begin late. Whether it's one minute or seven minutes late, these services are all late. Starting a trip exactly on time is not hard. The light rail always departs on time from its departure point, and it almost always runs on time throughout the whole trip. The light rail has proven that departing on time is possible, and I believe that a starting point for ACTION in encouraging people to catch their services is to ensure that their services depart exactly on time to begin with.
Quote from: King of Buses on May 30, 2019, 09:25:41 pm304 (R5) - Unusual to see an Iris doing a run to the deep south in this new network.
Quote from: triumph on May 17, 2019, 11:02:51 pmWith any luck, next time I am in the City, I will find the Platform 1/10 problem will have been fixed. Perhaps the school bus issue at the same time.
Quote from: triumph on June 06, 2019, 10:34:37 pmMinor item. TC seems to have reviewed and updated/improved some stop descriptions shown on the panel in the buses. Kudos to TC for doing this.For example, under the old network (15/315) there were two successive 'Spence Shops' one in Kingsford Smith Dr. and the other in Clarey Cresc.. Under the new network (R3) the second has become 'Clarey/Clark'. I have noticed other similar changes.
Quote from: Bus 503 on June 21, 2019, 06:17:35 pmI'd also be interested in whether anyone knows what routes the STAGs operate on at the moment? So far, I know of STAGs running on R2s, R4s, R5s, and R9s.
Quote from: Bus 503 on June 21, 2019, 06:17:35 pmIs the R9 being well-patronised? Rarely do I see many people on it when it comes through Dickson from Watson in the evening peak. Perhaps it may be better for the R9 to only run between Dickson and Belconnen, unless there is real demand from Watson.
Quote from: triumph on July 03, 2019, 11:34:22 pmThis raises the question of the validity of R9 being described as Rapid.As an example, comparing the R9 and rte 31 departing Cohen St Interchange at 3.17pm and 3.06pm respectively, the R9 is scheduled to take 29min to the Dickson Interchange, and the rte 31 just one minute longer! A negligible difference. If rte 31 is not Rapid then logically, nor is R9. It would be better labelled as route, say, 33. Or replace the 'R' with 'F' for frequent.A similar situation exists with R6. We made the mistake of using the R6 between Woden and the National Gallery thinking the direct Rapid would be quick! In fact, the next R4 to Regatta Point stop and then double back on R2/R6 would have been much quicker.Comparing services around 3pm between Woden and City Interchanges,R4 17minR5 34minRte58 40minRte57 48minR6 50min.R6 is the slowest. Quite inappropriate to call it a Rapid I think. It should simply be route, say, 59; or F6.
Quote from: triumph on July 08, 2019, 11:05:27 pmRoute 18 Gungahlin-Mitchell via Harrison and Franklin has been amended effective from Saturday last, 6th July, 2019......................The intriguing aspect is how did this quite significant amendment come about? A retiring gesture from a retiring Assembly Member perhaps?
Quote from: Sylvan Loves Buses on July 13, 2019, 02:28:33 amJust read the email notification of the route 18 change. .................TC will never do that - they never do anything that assists the less-able and necessary customers. The lack of a tram stop for the southern part of Mitchell is a great representation of that.
Quote from: a few years ago96% of routes this month were on time
Quote from: triumph on July 16, 2019, 10:37:43 pmWell, well, well. Whilst it is widely believed that the 'R' of the R series routes stand for 'Rapid' as in a quicker trip. This is not the case with TC's torturous use of plain english.Quoting from Team Leader, Customer Experience, Transport Canberra:The Rapid 6 route refers to the frequency of the service, not the length of time the route takes, the Rapid routes are designed to move residents across the City connecting between town centres.So, it seems Rapid in TC speak means more often, not quicker. Make of this what you will.
Quote from: triumph on July 31, 2019, 10:02:27 pmOver 20min of allocated journey time not needed. One wonders just how Transport Canberra assessed new network journey times?
Quote from: triumph on November 21, 2019, 10:25:07 pm(181) last of peak services. 11 Passengers. Not encouraging patronage at all.
Quote from: triumph on September 30, 2019, 11:43:31 pmLooking at the timetables, nearly all buses arriving at Gungahlin Place, Platform 3 should continue to Gungahlin/Valley, but many don't. Some layover at the platform and others seem to be back at Platform 4 very quickly.From the experience described and past observations, it seems that continuing to Gungahlin/Valley is not the routine the timetable calls for. Has circumstances and practice changed and the timetable failed to keep up?
Quote from: triumph on May 18, 2020, 12:34:53 pmSaw an articulated bus (512 I think) in Copland Drive this morning operating a Spence bound R3. First time I have seen a bendy doing R3 though I believe it has happened before.