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Buzz Killington

Quote from: triumph on April 17, 2019, 11:54:18 pmDo hope someone for the historical record can record fleet identities for first LRV carrying balloted passengers tomorrow.
AND first public trip from EACH end on Sat.
(Dammit, I will be away so can't.)

Not sure how many were used for the ballot today, but I saw 014 on a video.

triumph

Quote from: Busnerd on April 18, 2019, 11:33:40 amAll trips will commence at the same time on both days so there won't be a "first vehicle" there will be 6 or more departing at the same time.
Did you mean multiple simultaneous departures from various stops as well as terminii?
Clearly, there can only be one FIRST from Alinga St and another from Gungahlin accepting the public. If other LRVs, at the same time or earlier, start accepting the public (or today, ballotted passengers) from intermediate stops then determining a true FIRST becomes problematical.

It is the historical record that is important, as it is customary in historical literature to quote the identity and departure time of vehicles providing the FIRST service (or simultaneous first services).

Also of interest would be the identities of all LRVs used today for ballotted passengers, and on Saturday for the public. This would align with the Forum practice of recording first day in service of buses (where known).

Barry Drive

It is my understanding that trams will be stationed at various stops and all of them will depart at exactly 9am on Saturday. So there will not be a "first" departure, there will be several.

And yes, the intention is to note which were in service on Saturday and so on until all 14 have operated public services. Maybe I need to camp out in front of the depot with binoculars and a note pad. Like a normal person would do.

(BTW, I don't see the trial passenger run as significant, historically speaking. There have been many tests and "special" runs before now - this is just another.)

triumph

April 18, 2019, 04:39:17 pm #53 Last Edit: April 18, 2019, 10:35:42 pm by Barry Drive
Quote from: Barry Drive(BTW, I don't see the trial passenger run as significant, historically speaking. There have been many tests and "special" runs before now - this is just another.)

Yes, I had wondered about this. I do think it is significant though for these reasons:
- It is the first after accreditation.
- It is first actually available to general public, though by ballot due to number limits.
- Previous runs were under non-accredited, that is system construction/development, conditions and restraints (eg hard hats, hi-via vests as mentioned in today's paper), with no opportunity for the public at large to participate.

Perhaps it is analogous to an Official Opening Run carrying VIPs.

Sylvan Loves Buses

Quote from: Buzz Killington on April 18, 2019, 12:59:09 pmNot sure how many were used for the ballot today, but I saw 014 on a video.

Only two would've been used, to take the selected few with their golden tickets both ways and that's it. I'd say if you saw 014 in a video and I saw 011, those would've been it.

Considering everyone I saw at the City earlier today looked like a government employee, not a single kid or parent, no randoms and 1 photographer, I'm having a hard time believing 6000 people entered the ballot, and the selections weren't rigged. Didn't go to Gungahlin to see what was going on there, I assume the 'more important' people and journalists/news crews were there, cause there was practically nothing happening at the City, at least while I was there.

Buzz Killington

It sounds like you didn't see the ballot runs, because they definitely had families, kids etc. quite possibly you saw one of the various test runs. I heard there were TC staff on them today.

Busnerd

Quote from: triumph on April 17, 2019, 11:54:18 pmAND first public trip from EACH end on Sat.
(Dammit, I will be away so can't.)
I was referring to this part of Triumph's post.

Don't see how a public ballot was unfair, unless you're a non ACT resident, they only picked 150 names from over 6000 entries so most people missed out, but you can ride it tomorrow without the need to win a ticket.

King of Buses

009 was the first (public) departure from the City, leaving at 0800 this morning.

Believe 005 was the first from Gungahlin.

Toyota Camry

April 23, 2019, 10:00:10 am #58 Last Edit: April 23, 2019, 10:01:29 am by Toyota Camry
Trams are currently suspended; I am unaware if replacement buses have been ordered. I have decided to travel on bus route 254 in lieu. It is not clear if replacement buses will stop in tram stops, or on the kerbside; some light rail stops do not have any nearby TC bus stops for a bus to use.

Barry Drive

1. Service was resumed shortly afterwards.

2. There won't be any replacement buses this week while the 200s are still running.

3. Agree that notification and signage of replacement buses needs to exist, and some bus stops need relocating.

Busnerd

It was a brief shut down of the overhead power which appeared to last around 10 minutes before normal services resumed, as usual a vast over-reaction by the local media claiming people were trapped, which is no different to a bus being stuck in a traffic jam and unable to move, yet people don't say they are trapped as it's not an interesting news story.

Secondly, why would buses drive onto the tracks the to pick up passengers, for someone apparently well educated it is an absurd assumption.

Finally, Every stop has a bus stop nearby in both directions, Gungahlin Place has the Gungahlin Place Interchange, Manning Clarke Has bus stops in both directions, although one is closed off at the moment, Mapleton, Nullarbor and Well Station all have bus stops on both sides in both directions, EPIC Is probably the furthest from a bus stop but the EPIC bus stops outside the showgrounds would most likely be the location in this instance. Philip Avenue, Swinden St, Dickson Interchange, Macarthur, Ipima, Elouera and Alinga all have bus stops across the road in both directions as well.

Sylvan Loves Buses

Quote from: Toyota Camry on April 25, 2019, 07:31:57 amI am curious as to the reason why you were not impressed; personally I suggest that you should have travelled the entire route to Gungahlin Place, that would have given you a larger sample of the route to conduct an assessment based upon.

It wouldn't have, cause I was riding to try out the tram not the journey, and I didn't have the time to go the full way to see how much more disgusting Gungahlin has turned over the past few years, was bad enough last time I went there, esp now that it's plaguing Tuggeranong and Woden, see enough of it...
The only thing about the tram that impressed me was how quickly it could 'traction' (apparently that's what the accelerate lever is called) up to high speeds.

Toyota Camry

Quote from: Sylvan Loves Buses on April 25, 2019, 08:42:15 amIt wouldn't have, cause I was riding to try out the tram not the journey, and I didn't have the time to go the full way to see how much more disgusting Gungahlin has turned over the past few years, was bad enough last time I went there, esp now that it's plaguing Tuggeranong and Woden, see enough of it...
Do explain what your issue is with Gungahlin, Woden & Tuggeranong; as a proud resident of Ngunnawal, one of Canberra's finest suburbs, it is difficult to see what issue there is with Gungahlin. I suggest you stick to Civic and Belconnen and the 300 series or R4 bus between them; as they are the only two places in Canberra that you approve of.

Busfanatic101


Busnerd

Because an EL1 lives there, obviously.

Toyota Camry

Andrew Leigh MP will be hosting a mobile office onboard various light rail services between Gungahlin Place & Alinga Street this afternoon; as is stated in Dr Leigh's tweet, free travel for MyWay card holders has been arranged. This tweet has been linked below.

https://twitter.com/ALeighMP/status/1120990045035307008

Busfanatic101

Quote from: Toyota Camry on April 26, 2019, 09:34:54 amAndrew Leigh MP will be hosting a mobile office onboard various light rail services between Gungahlin Place & Alinga Street this afternoon; as is stated in Dr Leigh's tweet, free travel for MyWay card holders has been arranged. This tweet has been linked below.

https://twitter.com/ALeighMP/status/1120990045035307008
More likely he is a little confused about travel fare arrangements

triumph

Had the opportunity on Friday to ride Light Rail several times, remarks:
- All services used ran to time;
- Ride quality was very good but not as good, from my memory from several years ago, as the The G (Gold Coast). I noticed some slight lateral oscillations which on new, grinder treated track in concrete I had not expected;
- 'Flange squeal' rounding the tight curve into Flemington Rd from the Federal Highway was audible inside the LRV;
- Very smooth acceleration and deceleration somewhat spoilt by an initial jerk on starting and more so finally coming to a rest. Far superior though to the yo-yo braking so common with ACTION buses.
- Services were crowded with many children and carers sampling the system.
- Bike users had some difficulty accessing the racks due to ordinary passengers milling about and not knowing where the racks were.
- A wheel 'thrum' reminiscent of braking 'flat' spots on wheels but varying in intensity, and with frequency varying with speed, was present in various modules and vehicles. Bit of a puzzle. Could be something inherent in the CAF mechanism but, to my mind, more likely to be REGULARLY varying rail surface condition. Perhaps an effect from grinding?
- At Dickson Interchange the local map prominently shows some bus stops, but the actual bus interchange is only delineated by a couple of lines requiring reference to the map key, it should be more prominent than minor stops;
- On board announcements and displays indicate verbally and in writing which side to alight from, incorporating an 'arrow' symbol in the display would help some passengers;
- Several intermediate stations displayed the wrong next service with times relating to the following service, very bad PR;
- At Gungahlin Place both platform indicators showed identical details for next departure. OK if only one LRV there/arriving, but hopefully will be different if LRVs are present in both platforms;
- At Alinga Street, City, the LRVs (while I was there) all came and went from the Western side track, but at Gungahlin Place both sides were being used without any pattern that I noticed;
- Arriving LRVs at the terminii displayed 'Not in Service' but passengers boarded anyway.

Overall, despite some very minor quibbles, it seems to me to be an excellent system worthy of use and extending.
 





Sylvan Loves Buses

Quote from: triumph on April 28, 2019, 08:07:33 pm-'Flange squeal' rounding the tight curve into Flemington Rd from the Federal Highway was audible inside the LRV.

Yeah, is it suppose to be that noisy? cause when I got off at the Watson station the other day, I could clearly hear it from that distance.

Busnerd

I assume you mean Phillip Avenue by 'the Watson station'. It is not exactly "meant to be that noisy", could be solved easily but hasn't been for some reason, although it is a common railway noise, it is not ideal and something can be done to reduce it.

As for the Gungahlin/Alinga PID's - have noticed that too, both platforms at each terminus show identical departure information which isn't helpful for passengers, there is also no platform numbers for any stop, despite them all having platform numbers. Have also noticed on occasion, as you say, PID's at all stops not showing the next service but showing the one after that, I've also seen stops showing the next service as due in the following services bottom row and showing the 2nd service in the main part of the screen which is confusing.

Understand what you mean about directional arrows, the trains in Melbourne and LR in Sydney have '>>>' at the end of the scrolling to text to show what side the doors are opening, could be helfpul if you couldn't/didn't hear the announcement.

Agree about the maps, hear that there *might* be new maps coming later on down the road, not sure who designed the ones who are there now although I have heard that Transit Graphics expressed interest in making new/better maps that actually have bus information, not just an icon with a bus and no further information.

Sylvan Loves Buses

Yeah, the Phillip Ave Station, sorry couldn't remember its name from the top of my head.

Quote from: Busnerd on April 29, 2019, 07:37:52 am...although I have heard that Transit Graphics expressed interest in making new/better maps that actually have bus information, not just an icon with a bus and no further information.

Yeah, bus stops on the individual routes maps would be bloody nice too...

Busnerd

Did notice that, the big map shows stops but the individual ones don't show any, plus they're really missing a city inset to the map, it shows all the city streets as the black and white dotted lines with no close stop/street info unless you go to the individual maps which again don't have any stops on them.

The Transit App for Android does have stops shown on it which is quite helpful.

triumph

At intersection of Northbourne and Alinga diagonally across from Light Rail station at about 4.30pm today. While waiting for 'Walk' LRV arrived. Crossed Alinga and another wait for 'Walk' to station. Together a long time to get to the station and thought at risk of missing the service to Gungahlin.

These long waits are resulting in much darting across against the 'Don't Walk' with the inevitable unsafe outcomes.

Like the Elizabeth/King Streets junction in Sydney and Flinders/Elizabeth Streets junction in Melbourne, both of which have high public transport pedestrian traffic, I think there is merit in arranging the intersection of Alinga St with the 2 carriageways of Northbourne Ave to implement simultaneous all directions 'walk' though with discouragement for the longest diagonals. (This system is often called a 'Barnes Dance' after American traffic engineer Henry Barnes who devised it many decades ago.)

At the LRV, I found it already crowded with staff saying it was 'full' and encouraging patrons to go to the other platform and use the following service. Did travel on the 'full' service, but though quite a lot of standing passengers, it was far from the crush load maximum capacity.

 


Busnerd

Had the same observation yesterday that they could really save a lot of time by making all traffic stop at that intersection to allow a 30-45 second or so all direction pedestrian signal.

triumph

Travelling from Gungahlin to City today (3rd), the LRV was just commencing the curve onto the Federal Highway when a heavy (later learnt a 'full service') brake application brought us abruptly to a stand. A motorist N bound into Flemington Rd had run the red light and was already afoul the adjoining track next to the front of the LRV. The motorist backed away and after a short pause the LRV resumed the trip.

It seemed to me that the driver's subconscious memory had cut in and the driver proceeded as if the vehicle was in an uncontrolled left turn slip lane. No collision, so all ended well, but it was very close. 

Toyota Camry

I have been informed reliably that cardboard light rail vehicles were being dispensed at UNSW Canberra Oval yesterday; I was not able to pick one up, as I am presently in Batehaven.

triumph

Quote from: Busnerd on December 12, 2018, 07:40:09 amI will agree with ajw373, the only time I see them crossing the median is usually at an intersection, and considering LRV's will be travelling at 70km/h unencumbered, I'm not sure that emergency vehicles would just drive into the corridor without letting the light rail operations know they're doing so, I'm sure it'd be quite the shock to see a vehicle pull on to the tracks in front of a tram at full speed, that said I wouldn't discount it, they drive on tracks in other cities so I guess we wait and see.

The Canberra Times reported this week the Minister confirming that ambulances and emergency vehicles can use the light rail corridor to get around traffic.