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LR general discussion
« on: December 09, 2017, 05:39:25 AM »
I haven't payed too much attention to this whole lightrail thing, mostly cause I feel it's a waste of time, resources and money, and those poor tree :'(, but aside that and among the discussions about it that I have been reading of it over these past few months, there's still something that doesn't seem quite right to me.

I have a basic understanding of how trams work and know that the turning radius is rather limited due to the concertina and carriages length compared to articulated buses.
There's that, but from what all the signs say I've worked out at the busiest time there's going to be at least 4-6 active lightrail services running at the same time up and down Northbourne/Flemington, but from what I've seen, it looks as though there are two tracks (excluding whatever is being used to with the depot) and only the signs of the trams using the two tracks meaning they use the same track but in the opposite direction after each terminus like where it use to at Lilyfield in Sydney. ([EDIT] although that's apparently changed to Dulwich Hill since I was last there). So unless there's a loop like at Central Station or something plus the use of Vernon Circle, I don't quite get how this could work.

Can someone please explain this for me. Possibly with pictures and photos even


Also while I think of it, shouldn't the 'Canberra Metro' topic be under the 'Other Transport' subheading cause it kinda fits there better than under 'Discussion'? just a thought.
« Last Edit: December 09, 2017, 05:47:37 AM by Sylvan Loves Buses »

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Re: LR general discussion
« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2017, 07:53:44 AM »
I have a basic understanding of how trams work and know that the turning radius is rather limited due to the concertina and carriages length compared to articulated buses.
There's that, but from what all the signs say I've worked out at the busiest time there's going to be at least 4-6 active lightrail services running at the same time up and down Northbourne/Flemington, but from what I've seen, it looks as though there are two tracks (excluding whatever is being used to with the depot) and only the signs of the trams using the two tracks meaning they use the same track but in the opposite direction after each terminus like where it use to at Lilyfield in Sydney. ([EDIT] although that's apparently changed to Dulwich Hill since I was last there). So unless there's a loop like at Central Station or something plus the use of Vernon Circle, I don't quite get how this could work.

Can someone please explain this for me. Possibly with pictures and photos even
The LRVs should be bidirectional, with a driver's cab at each end. This eliminates the need for them to turn at each end - all they have to do is switch tracks. Take a look at the Gold Coast G:link for an idea of how this might look.
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Re: LR general discussion
« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2017, 01:26:16 PM »
Had a look at a video, I understand now, there's a lane switch just after each starting point.
All cleared up now, thank you.
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Re: LR general discussion
« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2018, 01:45:01 PM »
Just read the TC E-news email, with the confirmation of My Way being used for both buses and trams with tag on/off machines at the stations. The one thing I'm still wondering though is will the light rail be cashless, do any of you know?

...there's a lane switch just after each starting point.
Saw that the other day when I was doing the drawing at Gungahlin.
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Re: LR general discussion
« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2018, 10:10:18 AM »
Just read the TC E-news email, with the confirmation of My Way being used for both buses and trams with tag on/off machines at the stations. The one thing I'm still wondering though is will the light rail be cashless, do any of you know?
They will most likely have ticket machines on platforms that accept cash and card like G:Link etc. Sort of like the yellow ticket boxes in the underground parking at the Hyperdome.
Sicne drivers won't be handling fares onboard, convinience for passengers (ie. flexible payment options) should prevail over speed of the transaction.

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Re: LR general discussion
« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2018, 02:47:09 PM »
Yes, makes sense.

It also said...
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The MyWay (tag on Ė tag off) system, currently used on buses, will be installed on platforms at all light rail stops.
Which makes me think, wouldn't it be better to have the My Way machines in the actual trams at each door like they did on the Melbourne trams? That way it would prevent people from cheating, tagging on at the wrong time or forgetting when they get off, unless the system makes the My Way machines switch from red to green when the trams pass some sort of detection point.
Any ideas for that?

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Re: LR general discussion
« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2018, 06:52:51 PM »
Yes, makes sense.

It also said...Which makes me think, wouldn't it be better to have the My Way machines in the actual trams at each door like they did on the Melbourne trams? That way it would prevent people from cheating, tagging on at the wrong time or forgetting when they get off, unless the system makes the My Way machines switch from red to green when the trams pass some sort of detection point.
Any ideas for that?

Nothing will stop people from fare evading unless there are regular inspections with hefty fines to make sure passengers have valid tickets. I don't think it's policed very well on the trams in Melbourne, and as a result people fare evade lots of the time. I don't mind whether they have the MyWay readers in the tram or on the platform but whatever method they choose needs to be the most efficient way (so not having long queues of people getting off trams and facing a MyWay reader outside to tag off).

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Re: LR general discussion
« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2018, 12:20:19 PM »
There will be "On Board Attendants" on the LRV's, presumably they'll be checking MyWay cards & maybe even selling cash tickets.

I do have a sneaky suspicion you may also be able to purchase tickets at Add Value Machines at Gungahlin & City (can tremember if Dickson will have an AVM).

Only Vline gives a rats about fare enforcement in Victoria, except if an international event is coming up.

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Re: LR general discussion
« Reply #8 on: June 12, 2018, 06:04:59 PM »

Just so it is recorded: Tram 3 was the first departure from Mitchell Depot, which occurred moments before midnight on the 11th June 2018. It spent today sitting in a tram sized enclosure on Flemington Road near the Manning Clark Crescent (North) stop. Testing should commence tonight once the overhead goes live.
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Re: LR general discussion
« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2018, 02:29:44 PM »
For those who have somehow avoided social media today, LRV007 was towed to Dickson last night, as posted by CBR Metro and annoyingly re-shared by one PTCBR related individual with an excessive need to use emoji's.

It is understood gauge testing will take place over the next two nights between Dickson and Alinga (assuming the track is free of crap/debris/tools/holes) by then. This should see the LRV being dragged by the Unimog with the large foam 'collar'/thing around the outside to test clearances on the line, presumably before they do final platform concreting, set the poles in place along the alignment etc.

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Re: LR general discussion
« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2018, 06:55:58 PM »
For those who have somehow avoided social media today, LRV007 was towed to Dickson last night, as posted by CBR Metro and annoyingly re-shared by one PTCBR related individual with an excessive need to use emoji's.

It is understood gauge testing will take place over the next two nights between Dickson and Alinga (assuming the track is free of crap/debris/tools/holes) by then. This should see the LRV being dragged by the Unimog with the large foam 'collar'/thing around the outside to test clearances on the line, presumably before they do final platform concreting, set the poles in place along the alignment etc.

Doesnít look like the thing has moved since it was towed there.

Though I did see one today under its own power parked just outside the depot entry.

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« Reply #11 on: December 04, 2018, 06:35:42 AM »
Correct, it was placed there to get local residents/motorists ready to see LRV's in the area, it won't be moving anytime soon, it's just trying to show how far along they in the project that they could get it there.

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Re: LR general discussion
« Reply #12 on: December 04, 2018, 09:16:09 AM »
Correct, it was placed there to get local residents/motorists ready to see LRV's in the area, it won't be moving anytime soon, it's just trying to show how far along they in the project that they could get it there.

Not sure where LRV007 has gone but in its place this morning was LRV009 on Northbourne Avenue, situated at the same place.

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Re: LR general discussion
« Reply #13 on: December 10, 2018, 11:33:15 PM »
Finally saw my first Lightrail vehicle today. LRV009 rested on Northbourne south of Dickson.
Photos certainly don't tell the whole picture, it is so much better seeing them with my own eyes, although I'm still not a fan of the red.
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Re: LR general discussion
« Reply #14 on: December 11, 2018, 10:15:05 PM »
Correct, it was placed there to get local residents/motorists ready to see LRV's in the area, it won't be moving anytime soon, it's just trying to show how far along they in the project that they could get it there.

Sylvan Loves Buses referred yesterday to LRV009 'South of Dickson'. I wonder how far South was it when Sylvan saw it? Today it was parked on the Northbound track South of Macarthur Ave about a 1/4 to 1/3 of block towards Condamine St..
 

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Re: LR general discussion
« Reply #15 on: December 11, 2018, 10:46:07 PM »
Waiting at Northbourne Ave bus stop today an ambulance in emergency mode came past. A fellow traveller commented that when traffic was heavy the emergency services vehicles sometimes used the median and ask "What will they do now?" Interesting question.

Will emergency service vehicles be able to resort to the LR corridor? If that is possible then they might even have gained an advantage. Time will tell for sure.

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« Reply #16 on: December 12, 2018, 07:12:26 AM »
Iíve never once seen an emergency vehicle use the median before. Unless of course you or the passenger are talking about crossing over the median before a set of lights to bypass a queue of cars. In which case they would have been unlikely to have done that on Northborne Ave before anyway because it was too wide and grass.

If anything light rail might give them the option of driving down the track alignment if there is an emergency they cannot get to. Itís clearly wide enough and itís not like they need to trigger the lights.

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« Reply #17 on: December 12, 2018, 08:40:09 AM »
I will agree with ajw373, the only time I see them crossing the median is usually at an intersection, and considering LRV's will be travelling at 70km/h unencumbered, I'm not sure that emergency vehicles would just drive into the corridor without letting the light rail operations know they're doing so, I'm sure it'd be quite the shock to see a vehicle pull on to the tracks in front of a tram at full speed, that said I wouldn't discount it, they drive on tracks in other cities so I guess we wait and see.