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Quote from: Barry Drive on October 22, 2017, 11:31:37 amI offer no comment on this proposal because this forum has no filter for abusive language.
Quote from: Q on October 22, 2017, 02:41:29 pmanother note will theses routes run the quickest possible way or divert around other streets
Quote from: Q on October 22, 2017, 02:41:29 pmthis is annoying because when it starts all the 300's expect for 300,318,319 are likely to be canceled....
Quote from: Sylvan Loves Buses on October 22, 2017, 02:44:05 pmwhere's the ... Tuggeranong to Airport via Monaro rapids?...
Quote from: PTCBR Public Transport Association of CanberraTransport Minister Meegan Fitzharris MLA just announced a seven day bus network in 2018, in the Assembly 👍
Quote from: Busnerd on October 26, 2017, 03:38:53 pmbut it would finally mean the end of those horrible loops after 12 years of them running.
QuoteCanberrans say they'll walk farther for faster, more frequent buses
Rapid buses 7 days a week - every 15 minutes on weekdays and every 30 minutes on weekends. Work is continuing on our integrated transport network for #CBR. The next stage of consultation will take place in May before the new network is introduced. w/ @Transport_CBR pic.twitter.com/Nq9Sa774Hx— Chris Steel (@ChrisSteelMLA) April 19, 2018
Rapid buses 7 days a week - every 15 minutes on weekdays and every 30 minutes on weekends. Work is continuing on our integrated transport network for #CBR. The next stage of consultation will take place in May before the new network is introduced. w/ @Transport_CBR pic.twitter.com/Nq9Sa774Hx
Quote from: Sylvan Loves Buses on April 20, 2018, 02:02:05 pmWhat the actual fuck, I can't believe they're serious....
Quote from: Busfanatic101The is nothing more frustrating than only being able to arrive at a destination 30 mins early or late than you need to be - people see that as a waste of time
Quote from: King of BusesThe main issue I see is... route duplication in the current network... poor route timings and spacing. Fix that
Quote from: Barry Drive on April 21, 2018, 03:39:01 pmSo, what next? Where is the fat in the current suburban route network? I can't think of many areas which would result in longer walking distances but faster journeys (not significantly faster anyway). But here's a few possibilities: Bingley Cres, Fraser (just run Daley Cr) Macrossan Cres, Latham consolidate services to Higgins Bruce - Fern Hill & CIT Cossington Smith Cr, Lyneham consolidate Lyneham Shops services streamline Route 7 equivalent through Braddon reduce service to Duntroon & ADFA - will depend on what happens with Route 11 Livingston Av, Kambah run only one side of Newman-Morris Cct, Oxley Bugden Av, Gowrie Jim Pike / Callaway, GordonHave I missed any?
Quote from: Busfanatic101 on April 22, 2018, 05:41:46 pm Templestowe Ave, (Conder, 19/319)
Quote from: King of Buses on April 22, 2018, 08:15:37 pm*angry react*
Quote from: Toyota Camry on June 18, 2018, 09:41:43 pmIn my opinion, there will be a lot of people that will switch to driving, either to a park and ride or the whole way to Civic, with the loss of Xpresso services; many of the public servants using Xpressos will not be interested in taking a local bus to a bus station then changing buses when it takes 20 minutes longer than their previous direct service; or 30 minutes longer than driving.
Quote from: Busfanatic101 on June 18, 2018, 10:07:26 pmAny examples of where it might take 20 minutes extra due to the loss of an Xpresso?
QuoteAll Xpressos to be removed.
Quote from: Barry Drive on April 21, 2018, 03:39:01 pmBut here's a few possibilities:
Quote from: Busfanatic101 on April 22, 2018, 05:41:46 pmOther possibilities may include:
Quote from: Busfanatic101 on June 18, 2018, 02:41:08 pmI note 101 also seems to have disappeared, along with 'route 3' through ANU.
Quote from: vnguyen on June 19, 2018, 11:17:14 amI'm a missing something here or is R10 going to be a rapid loop service from the city? I don't see any terminus at a Denman Prospect.
Quote from: Transport Canberra Facebook commentCanberrans have told us that they prefer more frequent, flexible and reliable journeys. In order to provide higher frequency on local and Rapid Routes, all Xpresso routes will be discontinued in the new network. This will make travel to town centres and other key locations more frequent, where connections can be made to the Rapid Network. By providing an all-day network instead of a peak focused network, the same journey can be made throughout the day. If you take public transport to work at 8am and need to get home earlier than usual, you can make that same journey home at any time. It means you will not have to rely on a single bus service to make your journey, with more options available across the day.Many of Canberra's Park and Ride facilities will also be serviced by frequent all day bus services giving you more flexible travel choicesWe would encourage you to provide feedback through the Your Say page to assist with the planning of the New Network. TC
Quote from: Bus 400 on June 18, 2018, 10:39:33 pmYoundo have people from Gold Creek/Nicholls who want to go to Belconnen or people that work in Mitchell & want to go to the City will now be forced to go into Gungahlin in the opposite direction & change.How many people from Denman Prospect want to go to the Citt at 09:15, 9:30 & 09:45 & same goes for people from Cooleman Court? Probably 4 people each. While it has been noted all ready full buses are being cut in the Belconnen to City corridor & more people are being forced into this corridor. I think my rant is over for now, now to put forward some changes.
Quote from: Barry Drive on June 19, 2018, 10:15:20 amLast time they did public consultation, they re-instated services to Moonlight Av, Fawkner St and the Railway Station (correct me if I'm wrong on that one) as well as the 732. Why have they not learned from that?
Quote from: vnguyen on June 19, 2018, 11:24:32 amIt was be much easier to combine R9 and R10 together and make R10 a Tuggeranong to Belcomen rapid via the Tuggeranong Parkway.
Quote from: King of Buses on June 19, 2018, 01:26:37 pmThe R9 wouldn't make sense to combine, not the R10, as that would make a Watson to Belconnen and a Denman Prospect to City service a Watson to City via Belconnen and Molonglo service?
Quote from: King of Buses on June 19, 2018, 10:43:51 pmJust noticed: school services (or the few which remain) are now 4 digit route numbers. For example: 1002.School runs mostly only appear to be for the purpose of shuttling students to/from the nearest town/group centre and/or connection point to suburban routes, rather than from a school to everywhere in the surrounding region - this will NOT go down well, I imagine. It will save a lot of buses though. Not sure if we have enough artics to handle that though (unless they run multiples of the same service with rigids, where needed). I'm sure they'd have thought about such things though...
Quote from: King of Buses on June 19, 2018, 01:26:37 pmI'm not certain what they plan on doing with route 56, as I don't think it needs to go to Fyshwick at all hours of the day.
Quote from: Sylvan Loves Buses on June 20, 2018, 01:50:17 amAlso, what's the FRC route? Can't seem to find anywhere that explains what it is.
Quote from: Sylvan Loves Buses on June 20, 2018, 01:50:17 amBut back to late services though... There are many things to do in Fyshwick, some involving educational things which is always a surprise to me when I see those sorts of things in an industrial suburb like Fyshwick. The issue with those is they're on late in the evening
Quote from: Busfanatic101 on June 20, 2018, 08:16:26 amFuture Rapid Corridor. I personally can't see what they're waiting for, doesn't need to be a rapid but would be a good connection to have from Weston Creek/Molonglo to Belco.
Quote from: Busfanatic101 on June 21, 2018, 09:05:03 amWhat is this alternative route you suggest? Coppins Crossing connects Denman prospect to belco
Quote from: King of Buses on June 19, 2018, 01:26:37 pmI reckon the R7 could be extended to Tuggeranong via Namatjira Dr, and the 70/71 remain the same or similar to existing routes 60/62, with connections on Sulwood Dr and Drakeford Dr for travel to Cooleman Court
Quote from: ajw373 on June 24, 2018, 04:28:59 pmRE the R10 and going to Belconnen vi the FRC. Well that is exactly the plan, FRC stands for Future Rapid Connection so yes it will go to belco.
Quote from: Busfanatic101 on June 24, 2018, 05:53:57 pmHe said Belco to Woden. So not "exactly", and not suggesting that the R10 should/will extend to belco
Quote from: ajw373 on June 27, 2018, 07:32:16 amThe frequencies are a bit ambiguous. I was looking at the Gungahlin loops weekday and it says every 20 minutes in peak. But wasn't sure if that was each direction or in total. Then looked at a non loop and it said 30 minutes in the peak which is plain silly foba peak hour service.
Quote from: Busfanatic101 on June 27, 2018, 08:25:53 amIt would be each way, not total. There would be no way they have 2 hourly in total on weekends.
Quote from: Northside on June 28, 2018, 12:59:04 pmWhy is everyone struggling over the concept of loop routes? Have the previous networks really been that bad to have caused permanent damage!?
Quote from: Northside on June 28, 2018, 01:33:12 pmSend the 66 from Manuka via Canberra Cct to National cct, then via Federation mall and around to COmm Ave - you can then change the 57/58 to use the COmm ave ramp to Parliament house - saving time on all 3 routes.
Quote from: vnguyen on July 06, 2018, 11:22:00 pmWhy send a Weston loop service from Manuka? I think you meant the 56.
Quote from: Barry DriveCertainly not more stops.
Quote from: Northside on July 13, 2018, 11:25:51 amWhat I want to figure out is what's happening to the extra bus-kilometres/bus-hours saved by the light rail. Currently there are 20 red-rapid services arriving between 8 and 9am in the morning peak on an approximately 40 min journey. So that's over 13 bus-hours saved just there. Then include all the 5# and 3# buses on the remainder of the route and you have a heap of extra bus-hours to spread around the network. I can't see that all these hours are being used in the new network, it seems like these hours have just been dropped and the new network created from the remainder of the existing network. This is pretty disappointing if that's the case.
Quote from: triumph on July 12, 2018, 12:03:35 amRoute 101. At a consultation at the Belconnen Library the facilitators said that route was a separate function and implied it would continue. But the Canberra Times yesterday reports (with routes 81 and 101 mixed up) otherwise. In or out?
Quote from: Northside on July 13, 2018, 11:25:51 amWhat I want to figure out is what's happening to the extra bus-kilometres/bus-hours saved by the light rail. Currently there are 20 red-rapid services arriving between 8 and 9am in the morning peak on an approximately 40 min journey. So that's over 13 bus-hours saved just there.
Quote from: ajw373 on July 13, 2018, 12:02:32 pmWithout a detailed timetable how can you tell where bus hours are or aren't being used?
QuoteAs you mention the red rapid has about 20 buses in one hour in the peak many that I see on northborne have the bus full sign up to be replaced by 10 light rail services. Plus some North Canberra buses will feed Dickson and onto light rail. Capacity wise probably needs 15 light rail carriage worth an hour to carry the same number of people or share the love and keep some express buses. The best answer would be for some of the suburbs in west Gungahlin like Casey, Taylor, Nicholas to have. a direct service via the Barton highway.
Quote from: Bus 400the new network will be done within the current budget
Quote from: Sylvan Loves Buses on July 14, 2018, 09:29:00 amFor those of us like myself who have only buses as a choice of accessibility (no taxi, no phone for uber, nothin')
Quote from: Sylvan Loves Buses on July 17, 2018, 07:24:39 pmOk, but 10-15 minutes I don't think would exactly be necessary, surely 20-30 would be enough.
Quote from: triumph on July 17, 2018, 09:16:59 pmCommenting on the airport aspect, it is easy to overlook the substantial non-aviation commercial development that exists there. A bigger concern however, is that a large number of flights depart very early in the morning. Taking into account check-in times, the present bus service is not useful for substantial numbers of passengers, especially from beyond the City. This is a major failing of public transport in general. Each service is treated in isolation rather than being considered as a whole co-ordinated system from origin to destination.
Quote from: King of Buses on July 17, 2018, 09:18:29 pmHowever, the Spence to Belconnen sector of the R3, the Fraser to Kippax sector of the R2, the Calwell to Lanyon section of the R5 and the Watson to Dickson sector of the R9 however won't likely build patronage like this, so I'm more concerned about why these areas need a bus every 10-15 mins all day, when maybe only every second trip could service these sections of the routes
Quote from: triumph on July 17, 2018, 09:16:59 pmMelbourne trams are a good example of how users automatically opt for the trams when services are frequent. Very often, on week days at least, if you miss a tram the next is already in sight.
Quote from: Snorzac on July 17, 2018, 09:38:53 pmHit the nail on the head...the earliest flight you can currently make based off check in times is an 0715 departure if you really want to push it, this leaves at least 5 flights from one airline alone (plus whatever the opposition offer) not serviced by public transport on a weekday morning, evenings you do not have any service to the only arrival from both Perth and the Gold Coast each day as well as no access to public transport for passengers travelling to or from Canberra on a Singapore Airlines. You could argue that services on this particular service should operate at earlier hours of the morning or later into the evening but then that raises the issue of what it connects with and whether it is worth operating a service with no connections. Personally I believe that Canberra should move to a 24 hour network with hourly to half hour trunk or rapid services connecting with flexible demand responsive area services. Whilst patronage isn't ever going to be high for these services, there is still a need for it in my opinion and this would solve the afformentioned issues with a service to the airport.
Quote'Insulting': bus route changes hit elderly, defence personnelFinbar O'MallonBy Finbar O'Mallon25 July 2018 -- 8:49pm Share on Facebook Share on Twitter Send via EmailLeave a commentCrace residents protested against the ACT government's proposed 2019 changes to Canberra's bus routes on Wednesday.About 40 protesters gathered at the route 54 bus stop near the Crace shops, temporarily stopping a Belconnen-bound bus.Residents of Goodwin Retirement Village and supportive neighbours in Crace hold a silent demonstration to protest the government's proposed changes to their bus route. They briefly stepped out in front of the 11.22am bus.Photo: Karleen MinneyThe protests mark a tide of growing anger against the government's flagged changes, following on from cancellation of dedicated bus services for Canberra schools.In Braddon, older locals are concerned the routes will confine them to the inner-north. Another proposed change would force defence personnel in Campbell Park to walk a kilometre on the side of an unlit road to catch a new bus from Fairbairn Avenue.The Crace protesters, mainly elderly residents of the nearby Goodwin Retirement Village, currently catch the 54 bus directly to Belconnen.AdvertisementBut the government's proposed changes would mean the 54 stop at the shops would be axed, forcing travellers to walk nearly one kilometre to Gundaroo Drive to catch a bus into Gungahlin before catching a second to Belconnen.Crace residents committee secretary Sue Brudenall said most of the village residents travelled to Belconnen for their doctors and medical appointments, shopping or just to see the movies."There's a lot more at Belconnen than at Gungahlin at the moment," Ms Brudenall said.Ms Brudenall said there was no shelter on the way to the new stop at Gundaroo Drive."That's too much for a lot of people who are in their 70s because it's about a kilometre walk, plus they're doing all the roadworks," Ms Brudenall said.Ms Brudenall said the bus was also used by University of Canberra students.A small group of the residents will be back at the Crace chops on Saturday to collect signatures for a petition they plan to hand to ACT Opposition Leader Liberal MLA Alistair Coe.A transport directorate spokesman told The Canberra Times on Thursday confirmed the government had received a submission from the village.It admitted alternative stops for Crace residents were a further walk but said the government's "flexibus", a free community shuttle for older Canberrans and those with mobility issues, could take them to the stops.In Braddon, Jennifer Bluhm - a resident of retirement village Girrahween Lodge - said potential changes to the route seven bus expected in 2019 were insulting.Lodge residents are able to catch the route seven bus right outside their door on Girrahween Street, but changes would force them to either walk three blocks south to Cooyong Road for a route 52 bus or six blocks west to Northbourne Avenue for the then-completed tram.Ms Bluhm said one of the lodge residents was an 82-year-old woman with a walker."She's not going to walk to Northbourne Avenue in any event, she said 'I may as well walk to Civic'," Ms Bluhm said.While the route seven bus takes the lodge residents straight to Belconnen, the 52 bus travels to Dickson shops where they would take a second bus to Belconnen."Who ever heard of two buses connecting?" Ms Bluhm asked.Ms Bluhm said her gym and her doctor were based in Belconnen, and she normally travelled to her doctor on weekends, when the 52 bus doesn't operate.The government has suggested inner-north residents use the "flexibus".But this free service only takes them to Civic, Dickson or Ainslie."How would you feel if someone says you can only go to Civic?" Ms Bluhm said.Ms Bluhm said while she might be able to accept it, she doubted ACT government ministers would. Transport staff had told Ms Bluhm the changes may be reviewed but it's possible they would stay as flagged."I put it in the insulting category. I think it's very poorly considered and just a mess," Ms Bluhm said.Ms Bluhm said perhaps she had been naive but this was never raised when the government began constructing the tram."It was never said that the whole bus network would be upset to accommodate the tram," she said.Ms Bluhm said no one had considered the social cost of these changes either, confining people to suburbs, forcing medical personnel to travel to them and friends who no longer drove to be separated.The Braddon locals are meeting on Friday at St Columba's Church from 1pm where they expect local opposition MLAs and transport heads to attend.A transport directorate spokesman said the government would meet with Braddon residents but said they also had alternatives of the flexibus or a subsidised taxi scheme.Elsewhere, a bus stop outside the defence offices in Campbell Park, opposite Duntroon, would be cut under the route changes.Staff would be then forced to walk down Northcott Drive, an unlit road with no footpath, to catch a bus off Fairbairn Avenue.A Transport directorate spokesman said they would meet with Campbell Park staff to discuss the changes but said the route seven bus only is only used modestly during peak hour on weekdays.
Quote from: Toyota Camry on August 25, 2018, 11:47:29 pmFor example; R4 & R5 will operate some trips via Alfred Deakin High, instead of running on Yarra Glen between Woden and Civic.This information was found at this link; https://canberrabuses.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Alfred_Deakin_High_Guide.pdf
Quote from: Sylvan Loves Buses on August 26, 2018, 03:44:42 pmmore full buses on suburban routes forcing more real patrons to wait etc.
Quote from: Busfanatic101 on August 26, 2018, 05:08:07 pmI think fuller buses on suburban routes is exactly the point. Better than running empty buses. And I'd be keen to learn what definition of a real patron excludes students catching a bus to school.
Quote from: Toyota Camry on August 26, 2018, 10:33:41 pmYou are aware of what the old saying is, "children are to be seen and not heard"; I do not wish for my bus to travel 10 minutes out of the way to pick up some screaming brats, they should be on a school bus instead. My car does not deviate for screaming children; neither should my bus.
Quote from: Bus 400 on August 27, 2018, 05:52:56 pmI wonder if a different idea would be to start a 4 & 5 from schools like Alfred Deakin & Melrose/Marist High Schools. Bit like Belconnen suburban buses do now from Radford.