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General Fleet Discusson
« on: February 18, 2015, 06:20:27 PM »
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New topic - for miscellaneous fleet discussion, sightings that don't belong in other topics.

To start things off: there might be a new Dart arrival at Woden Depot this week. Possibly 140, but can't rule out a Tuggeranong unit being sent to storage.

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Re: General Fleet Discusson
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2015, 10:27:43 AM »
...but can't rule out a Tuggeranong unit being sent to storage.

If so, it isn't 148 or 151. Both were in service this morning.


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Re: General Fleet Discusson
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2015, 04:35:04 PM »
151 has been having multiple issues over the last few weeks, was playing up last wednesday and it cancelled its run today... I wouldn't be surprised if this got sent to storage soon. shame though as it's a pet bus of one of the drivers

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Re: General Fleet Discusson
« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2015, 04:15:25 PM »
Yes, 140 has been sent to Woden
« Last Edit: February 21, 2015, 04:15:44 PM by ACTbusspotter »

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Re: General Fleet Discusson
« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2015, 09:44:49 AM »
When I went past Woden depot yesterday, I didn't see 986...is it just hiding amongst the darts, Mk1s and PR3s? Or is it elsewhere?

And do the buses that are recently withdrawn (provided they originally did) still have bike racks (995, 991, 992...they did last time I checked but...I couldn't tell from Athllon Dr)? If so, why?

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Re: General Fleet Discusson
« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2015, 11:36:49 AM »
554 has lost its Nigel Stokes decals. Back to one, 560.

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Re: General Fleet Discusson
« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2015, 10:59:59 AM »
When I went past Woden depot yesterday, I didn't see 986...is it just hiding amongst the darts, Mk1s and PR3s (sic)?

Yes - it is hiding. But only in the sense that you can't spot it from Athllon.

Rest assured, it is still there.
« Last Edit: April 04, 2015, 11:01:10 AM by ACTbusspotter »

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Re: General Fleet Discusson
« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2015, 01:03:53 PM »
Praise the Lord...
Those Darts are a bit annoying in terms of placement...
« Last Edit: April 04, 2015, 01:28:32 PM by ACTbusspotter »

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Re: General Fleet Discusson
« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2015, 08:18:53 PM »
One of the Belco field vans too has a new livery covering windows too this time. Like 539s livery just without the euro 6 stuff...and on a Toyota hiace. ..
(A) There is only one "Belco field van".

(B) It's a new Hiace with a new livery.

(C) Don't know whether it's a paint job or vinyl wrap (or combination).

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Re: General Fleet Discusson
« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2015, 08:49:46 PM »
(A) There is only one "Belco field van".

I thought Belco had a hiace and that other unique one (I can't remember the make...)

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General Fleet Discusson
« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2015, 11:29:29 AM »
Based on ACT RTA records, there are two more new Hiaces. One of these will probably be allocated to City.

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Re: General Fleet Discusson
« Reply #11 on: April 17, 2015, 06:22:40 PM »
Based on ACT RTA records, there are two more new Hiaces. One of these will probably be allocated to City.

Both have been at Belconnen Depot the past few days. The Woden one appears to have been replaced by the old Belco one too. The iMax was still in the City this evening.


986 was at Belconnen Depot today undergoing an inspection and some maintenance.

Both 852 and 853 have been out today too. And 565 has entered service...

Tuggeranong Depot has had some movements as well. The PR3s are now against the screen and 3 out of 5 darts are in the shed (the other two on the bricks). A MKI PR2 (without window ads) was in the sheds today too.

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Re: General Fleet Discusson
« Reply #12 on: April 17, 2015, 08:22:01 PM »
Without more information, the Tuggeranong moves suggests they are trying to increase their capacity.

A MKI PR2 (without window ads) was in the sheds today too.
If you mean a PR100.2, there's not many to choose from: 865 is the only one that fits that description. A sighting in service would help.

This also raises the possibility that 856 & 126 are also in regular service, rather than being full time trainers.

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Re: General Fleet Discusson
« Reply #13 on: April 17, 2015, 08:28:46 PM »
The PR3 move at tuggers could also be the death row...

And not sure what MK1 it was (but yes, PR100.2) but all I could see was MK1 livery without window ads on at least the near side. Will look out for it


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Re: General Fleet Discusson
« Reply #14 on: April 17, 2015, 09:51:34 PM »
I've noticed over the past couple of months that the white strips either side of the front windscreen on a number of the Scania artics have been removed. 520 is one that comes to mind.

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Re: General Fleet Discusson
« Reply #15 on: April 17, 2015, 10:08:32 PM »
I've noticed over the past couple of months that the white strips either side of the front windscreen on a number of the Scania artics have been removed. 520 is one that comes to mind.

They've been gone for quite a while. It's 511, 515, 520, 527 and 528 which are like this.
538 other than being named recently appears to have lost its front Scania badge and has an ACTION logo centered on the front above the number plate...seeing as we are on the artic topic...

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Re: General Fleet Discusson
« Reply #16 on: April 27, 2015, 11:48:17 AM »
No sign of changes at Woden Depot. 864 & 865 still in retirement, so that Mk1 bus sighted at Tuggeranong would have to be 856.

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Re: General Fleet Discusson
« Reply #17 on: May 21, 2015, 07:10:54 PM »
No sign of changes at Woden Depot. 864 & 865 still in retirement, so that Mk1 bus sighted at Tuggeranong would have to be 856.

856 wasn't at Tuggers this morning. I'm not sure where 855 has disappeared to, I haven't seen it in quite a while at T. I doubt these MKIs are serving and service purpose given there was several buses in the sheds still and some PR3s (including 126) at the time. 866 has a nice slope to it as well...

About 3 or 4 Rosa's were going into the T workshops this morning too. Two didn't have ACTION or flexible bus service logos  ???

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Re: General Fleet Discusson
« Reply #18 on: May 22, 2015, 08:45:16 AM »
856 back next to 126.

948 and 887 (If I can read stuff from 483) are against the screen too. Haven't seen MK2 buses parked there for ages...

EDIT: Not 948. But whichever buses they are they haven't moved all day...
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Re: General Fleet Discusson
« Reply #19 on: May 26, 2015, 09:35:49 PM »
The second Hiace has been seen in service at City Bus Station.

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Re: General Fleet Discusson
« Reply #20 on: May 30, 2015, 09:42:09 AM »
With 569 & 570 entering service this week, the number of Scanias in the fleet has reached 145.

Unless there have been further withdrawals, the number of active Renaults (PR100.2 & PR100.3) is  ... 145.

Shortly, Renault's status as dominant bus will end.

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Re: General Fleet Discusson
« Reply #21 on: July 21, 2015, 08:49:22 AM »
485 has now got the program 570 used to on its desto (the large print as such)...

Tuggers now seems to have its new Hiace van too.

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Re: General Fleet Discusson
« Reply #22 on: July 21, 2015, 04:40:19 PM »
485 has now got the program 570 used to on its desto (the large print as such)...


Yeah, I noticed that yesterday. Could ACTION be planning on eventually converting all of them to that or is this some sort of trial?

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Re: General Fleet Discusson
« Reply #23 on: July 21, 2015, 04:56:19 PM »
Could ACTION be planning on eventually converting all of them to that or is this some sort of trial?

If they do, thats not a good idea...sure, it is easier to read, but when it spends about 3 seconds on 'Blue Rapid' when behind another bus (obscuring your view) and you want a particular Blue Rapid service (and have to flag it down while at a normal stop) but can't see the number, it is just like the static Renault destos...you can't easily tell...

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Re: General Fleet Discusson
« Reply #24 on: July 21, 2015, 05:07:25 PM »
That's why it has a number!

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Re: General Fleet Discusson
« Reply #25 on: July 21, 2015, 07:48:49 PM »
That's why it has a number!

But when in a platoon of buses you can't always see it!

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« Reply #26 on: July 21, 2015, 09:56:15 PM »
I'm confused, KOB - you're saying in the platoon, you can see "Blue Rapid", but not the route number? Isn't the route number still on the nearside, which would put it closer to you than the text? I haven't seen this 'new' desto yet, but I can't imagine it's on the offside.

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« Reply #27 on: July 22, 2015, 09:24:53 AM »
I'm confused, KOB - you're saying in the platoon, you can see "Blue Rapid", but not the route number? Isn't the route number still on the nearside, which would put it closer to you than the text? I haven't seen this 'new' desto yet, but I can't imagine it's on the offside.


This is what 570 looks like.

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Re: General Fleet Discusson
« Reply #28 on: July 22, 2015, 09:56:16 AM »
This is what 570 looks like.

*Looked.

I'm confused, KOB - you're saying in the platoon, you can see "Blue Rapid", but not the route number? Isn't the route number still on the nearside, which would put it closer to you than the text? I haven't seen this 'new' desto yet, but I can't imagine it's on the offside.

Even still, it can be hard to see the numbers around other buses, peoples heads, street infrastructure, trees, etc.

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Re: General Fleet Discusson
« Reply #29 on: July 22, 2015, 01:18:12 PM »
But how can you see "Blue Rapid" and not the number? That is your issue above, right?

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Re: General Fleet Discusson
« Reply #30 on: July 22, 2015, 04:51:05 PM »
*Looked.

What? 570 has lost its "Renault Styled Desto?"

I can't understand why any of the destos on the Pr2 and 3s and green buses can't just display the actual place they are servicing on one line instead of: WODEN, on an orange bus and: WODEN, via, blah street, BlaH crescent, Blach, circuit, then finally, DUFFY. IF DUFFY IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF THE DESTO, WHY CAN'T IT BE DISPLAYED ON THE FRONT WITH JUST ONE LINE AND NOTHING ELSE?

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Re: General Fleet Discusson
« Reply #31 on: July 22, 2015, 04:56:30 PM »
You can't always read the desto around obstructions and other buses in front of it!!! Not all bus stops have the right angle to see them!!!

And yes. 570 has lost that program. 485 has now got it. That was all I was reporting originally!

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Re: General Fleet Discusson
« Reply #32 on: July 22, 2015, 06:03:04 PM »
But what if you AREN'T travelling to Duffy. Or Fraser. Or whatever.

Then showing a single location is not useful.

(Does this bus go to Civic?)

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« Reply #33 on: July 22, 2015, 07:12:10 PM »
Then showing a single location is not useful.

And showing a route name is even worse...

The normal Hanover destos are fine. As in, Static top line final destination (Fraser West) and scrolling bottom line (Via Woden, City, Belconnen, Kippax, Macgregor).

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Re: General Fleet Discusson
« Reply #34 on: January 20, 2016, 12:43:55 PM »
I've also mentioned this on twitter:

ACTION have responded to the predictable "my bus isn't air conditioned" whingers by stating there will be 30 new buses in service this year.

Which confirms the Scania delivery schedule has been brought forward by six months.

But based on 587 being the last in service, there are 28 Scanias to come in the current contract, plus 490 - that makes only 29.

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Re: General Fleet Discusson
« Reply #35 on: July 05, 2016, 11:32:45 AM »
Is it likely that they will keep the current livery for future deliveries of will they eventually get all the new buses in TC livery?

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« Reply #36 on: July 05, 2016, 12:56:15 PM »
If there is a TC livery, it wouldn't look anything like the one on the Darts - the preference will be for a livery that only requires one paint colour per panel where possible. The different colours and gradient effect on the wraps would be too painful to replicate in a paint job.

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« Reply #37 on: July 05, 2016, 04:07:28 PM »
I was going to say the same. Also, I don't imagine they'd change anything during the current contract.

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« Reply #38 on: July 20, 2016, 11:37:34 AM »
Is it likely that they will keep the current livery for future deliveries or will they eventually get all the new buses in TC livery?


Certainly no change yet (up to 609).

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« Reply #39 on: July 20, 2016, 02:06:37 PM »
Hmmmmm, recall stating the end of the ACTION name was on its way!

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Re: General Fleet Discusson
« Reply #40 on: July 22, 2016, 06:19:19 AM »
Another new livery? geez, would've thought they'd get rid of all the 90's buses first or waited another 20 years before doing that.

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« Reply #41 on: July 22, 2016, 05:01:41 PM »
I personally like the current livery. Who here would actually be keen to see a new livery- especially one in the sort of colours they are using for everything Transport Canberra at the moment?

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« Reply #42 on: July 22, 2016, 06:49:59 PM »
I personally like the current livery. Who here would actually be keen to see a new livery- especially one in the sort of colours they are using for everything Transport Canberra at the moment?

I'd like a new livery although with the same colours as now (green, orange and white). The Transport Canberra livery looks nice on the darts but I wonder what it would look like on the full size buses.

Hmmmmm, recall stating the end of the ACTION name was on its way!

I note that the ACTION (logo) icon doesn't appear to be in use anymore on Transport Canberra publications or on the City Loop livery.

On the topic of the City Loop, 151 was laying over at the discussed University Avenue stop today so I guess it's now being used.
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« Reply #43 on: July 22, 2016, 07:56:16 PM »
That is where they park the spare bus/driver transport bus for the City Loop as it has on road driver changeovers, the same two buses operate the shuttles all day from start to finish and the drivers use a spare bus to get into the city

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« Reply #44 on: July 22, 2016, 08:09:51 PM »
I'd like a new livery although with the same colours as now (green, orange and white). The Transport Canberra livery looks nice on the darts but I wonder what it would look like on the full size buses.

I note that the ACTION (logo) icon doesn't appear to be in use anymore on Transport Canberra publications or on the City Loop livery.
ACTION logo is on the near side just in front of the fleet number on the loop livery.
As for the livery, it was mentioned elsewhere that it will no be anything like what is on the darts as it would be virtually unpaintable
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« Reply #45 on: July 22, 2016, 09:35:43 PM »
ACTION logo is on the near side just in front of the fleet number on the loop livery.

No. The word "ACTION" in the 2008 ACTION font is there, but the circular 6 segment logo is not.

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« Reply #46 on: July 23, 2016, 08:31:34 AM »
Personally I'm expecting them to go with a cost cutting livery. Such as perhaps a nice brightly painted front and the rest of the bus in white with TC logo's on it, with plenty of room for advertising (for revenue purposes)

If you look at Airlines in the last few years who have changed their liveries, a lot have gone with a plainer more livery to save money (and presumably weight) whereas most bus companies prefer a single colour all over as it is easier to carry out repairs.

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« Reply #47 on: July 23, 2016, 11:41:26 AM »
The word "ACTION" in the 2008 ACTION font is there, but the circular 6 segment logo is not.
Good pick-up. You may notice that the, um, wheel logo has been removed from the Twitter and Facebook accounts as well - but not from newly delivered buses.

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« Reply #48 on: August 02, 2016, 06:02:15 PM »
But they have brought back the old nxtbus ad recently that had been taken off with the arrival of TC on the on-board screens with the ACTION circular wheel logo.
Maybe they just couldn't be bothered making a new one or updating it


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« Reply #49 on: August 04, 2016, 05:39:05 PM »
975s engine sounds to be in a terrible state.
570 doing workshop road tests this afternoon

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« Reply #50 on: August 10, 2016, 12:03:24 PM »
This escaped my attention until recently: the most common bus type in the ACTION fleet is now the MAN 18.320 with 87 in service - compared to 84 Renault PR100.2s

By early next year the Scania K320UBs will surpass this number.

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« Reply #51 on: August 30, 2016, 05:38:31 PM »
I was on 504 today and for the first time noticed little metallic cylindrical things beside the nearside interior lights (the size of the holed area of the speakers on those lights). Anyone know what they are or might be for?

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« Reply #52 on: August 30, 2016, 07:08:50 PM »
How many things? Just the one at the front and another at the rear?

If so, they are the sensors for the former bus stop signal system.
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« Reply #53 on: August 30, 2016, 07:38:20 PM »
1 behind the front nearside lights and another behind the rear nearside lights, so 2 all up that I could see.

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« Reply #54 on: October 12, 2016, 11:49:51 AM »
On the earlier question of livery, Canberra Metro recently posted an image of a CAF Urbos in Transport Canberra livery.


I would imagine the new bus livery may be similar, but with blue (for Bus) instead of red.
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« Reply #55 on: October 14, 2016, 07:38:49 AM »
I don't know whether this is new/old/unmentionworthy news, but the other day, I noticed the underside of the foldup seats in 513 were different to all others I had seen. Flat with 2 cutouts of semi-circles through which the fabric can be seen. Interesting design

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« Reply #56 on: October 14, 2016, 11:17:24 AM »
I hadn't noticed the cut-outs, but there have been many bus seats that this has happened to I've noticed in the past couple of months. It's always the fold-up seats that have it, and so far from what I've noticed, only on the Iris - E5s.
Must be a lack of supplies (im thinking), so they're getting daggy covers from elsewhere to fix them up.

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« Reply #57 on: October 15, 2016, 08:36:44 PM »
On the earlier question of livery, Canberra Metro recently posted an image of a CAF Urbos in Transport Canberra livery.
I would imagine the new bus livery may be similar, but with blue (for Bus) instead of red.

So they're not going to be using these ones which were used previously when promoting the project? I think those liveries looked much nicer.



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« Reply #58 on: October 18, 2016, 06:01:35 PM »
... the underside of the foldup seats in 513 were different to all others I had seen. Flat with 2 cutouts of semi-circles through which the fabric can be seen. Interesting design
AFAIK those seats are only installed in the CB80 artics. They are a Custom bus fold down seat, rather than McConnell which are used in every other Custom bus.
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« Reply #59 on: November 11, 2016, 11:36:38 PM »
With the remaining 6 darts that are being used for the 101 loop, are they owned by ACTION, Transport Canberra, or?
I'm wasn't 100% sure about the answer myself, but the driver who asked me today during my travels wanted to know. Cause he thought they were being leased or something - or is that the answer, sold for something/scrap, but still leased by ACTION?

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« Reply #60 on: November 12, 2016, 12:21:09 AM »
If they were sold for scrap, they wouldn't be in service.

They remain part of the ACTION Fleet (though IIRC they're not counted as part of the regular route fleet)

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« Reply #61 on: November 20, 2016, 04:07:39 PM »
Unless there have been further withdrawals, the number of active Renaults (PR100.2 & PR100.3) is  ... 145.
When 618 enters service there will be 80 K320UB 4x2s in service (split 41/39).

Currently there are 80 PR100.2s in service - also split 41/39.

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« Reply #62 on: November 28, 2016, 08:00:32 PM »
Question: are there any Scania L94UBs which DON'T have the additional grille on the engine flap? I've not noticed any, just wonder if there are any left to be done.

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« Reply #63 on: November 28, 2016, 09:48:45 PM »
I have just gone through my photos and have photos of every single one (320-373) with the additional grille- I suspect that had been the case for quite some time
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« Reply #64 on: December 12, 2016, 08:55:28 PM »
ACTION have responded to the predictable "my bus isn't air conditioned" whingers by stating there will be 30 new buses in service this year.
They exceeded that number: 33 new buses entered service this year - 588 to 620; as well as 490 for six months.

Not that it did much to stop the whingers.


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« Reply #65 on: December 16, 2016, 12:21:04 PM »

In the TC email alert that I just got, it states:
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Does this mean that the new artic will also be in the new livery? I had had the assumption that it would be the green one matching the other same artics buses in the fleet. I think at present all buses of the same type have the same liveries as each other.

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« Reply #66 on: December 16, 2016, 02:46:17 PM »


In the TC email alert that I just got, it states:Does this mean that the new artic will also be in the new livery? I had had the assumption that it would be the green one matching the other same artics buses in the fleet. I think at present all buses of the same type have the same liveries as each other.

It does imply that, but in fairness it could go either way given there won't be much fuss when the artic arrives I'd think given it is nothing new really.

As for all buses of the same type, that depends if exclude AOA's plus whether your count the "Conserve Fossil Fuels" livery as an AOA or a livery.

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« Reply #67 on: December 16, 2016, 02:47:08 PM »
Probably, yes.

I don't have evidence, but last time something like that happened was with the AEC Swifts in the late 1960s-1970s when the livery changed from coffee and red to yellow fire and blue. Although they may have kept the same livery with the same body - so that doesn't count.

UPDATE: The Freighter bodied Swifts may have been the last in the old livery with the Smithfield bodies from 1974 arriving in the new orange/blue scheme. Some of the Freighters were repainted into the new colours.
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« Reply #68 on: December 16, 2016, 03:17:04 PM »
So another new bus in the fleet. I understand that they're Euro 6s as well, but for my way of sorting the types (esp on my drawing collections), will I just call them MKIIs or something? (I'm not sure what to call them to not confuse, which is why I'm asking)
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« Reply #69 on: December 16, 2016, 06:32:23 PM »
So another new bus in the fleet. I understand that they're Euro 6s as well, but for my way of sorting the types (esp on my drawing collections), will I just call them MKIIs or something? (I'm not sure what to call them to not confuse, which is why I'm asking)
I won't do a face palm meme, i think I'd just prefer to face palm you in person.

Seriously, what is wrong with you?

How about you call it a Bustech Scania, no confusion at all!

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« Reply #70 on: December 20, 2016, 01:58:00 PM »
That's now the second P2 I've seen with that screen glitch. So much for the LEDs, should've kept the flipdots lol


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« Reply #71 on: December 20, 2016, 11:33:52 PM »
Yes...flip dots that you cant get parts for or LEDs that are still manufactured and common to the newer fleet....should have stayed with flip dots for sure

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« Reply #72 on: December 22, 2016, 09:25:18 PM »
Does anyone happen to know why the Hanover destos installed in the PR2s, PR3s, 307 and 362 to 373 don't change what they are displaying automatically when they arrive at termination points (and have to be changed manually by the driver)?

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« Reply #73 on: January 05, 2017, 01:36:51 PM »
368 now has a green front like a few of its sisters.

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« Reply #74 on: January 29, 2017, 01:05:11 PM »
Just a quick question,

Will the new Bustech and AVASS buses be used on the weekend services?

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« Reply #75 on: January 29, 2017, 01:51:22 PM »
Bustech - no reason why not.

AVASS - too soon to know, but possibly not since it will depend on trained drivers and mechanics.

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« Reply #76 on: January 29, 2017, 05:14:47 PM »
Who do I talk to about purchasing a pr1 or a pr2


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« Reply #77 on: January 29, 2017, 05:48:16 PM »
Whats a PR1?

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« Reply #78 on: January 29, 2017, 08:12:14 PM »
by guess, I would say he means a mk1 PR2

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« Reply #79 on: February 07, 2017, 07:46:46 PM »
Can't really find the best place to put this, the general discussion would've been best as it covers several topics, but yeah, can't do that anymore.

Anyway, I've been noticing a lot of graffiti around the place the past few days, all over the Interchanges (specifically Woden), and even on Wodens glass roof - like how the **** is someone without a ladder suppose to even be able to get up there to graffiti it... I guess the teens/kids these will do impossible things like that when they're desperate.
Anyway, I thought that was bad enough until I saw the graffiti on 818 in Woden depot as I was on the bus home today, now that is disgusting behavior...
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« Reply #80 on: February 08, 2017, 07:13:09 PM »
It's possible that I didn't look hard enough, and I tried to in the gallery but not all the shots are of the sides, and some are but with the old AOAs.

Can someone tell me all the fleet numbers of those random Mk1 P2s that had Mk2 liveries please? It's one thing that's been troubling me for years.
Atm I know of (from KoB telling me and from past knowledge): 690, 758, 760, 808, 835 and 840. Were there any others?

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« Reply #81 on: February 08, 2017, 07:23:00 PM »
690, 758, 760, 808, 835 and 840. Were there any others?

853 & 869.

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« Reply #82 on: February 08, 2017, 10:08:28 PM »
758 was a wrap, pretty sure it was Mk I livery underneath

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« Reply #83 on: February 09, 2017, 05:48:49 PM »
Can someone tell me all the fleet numbers of those random Mk1 P2s that had Mk2 liveries please? It's one thing that's been troubling me for years.
Atm I know of (from KoB telling me and from past knowledge): 690, 758, 760, 808, 835 and 840. Were there any others?

You're missing 751, 775, 798, 853, and 869.

758 had the Mk1 livery as Snorlax said.

The trickier question is which of those wore both the Mk1 and Mk2 liveries - not all of them did as some were delivered in AOA and then repainted into Mk2.
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« Reply #84 on: February 09, 2017, 11:40:49 PM »
Cool, thank you.

Also, as it just become something I need too, (and half the relevant gallery photos are black and white), which of the O.305s had the opposed livery. I can see a few, but I can't be sure of all of them.

Also, that springs a question to mind. What was the or was there a reason for the livery change in the 90's with the SLs/SGs and Mercedes buses around the time of the Renaults being brought in? It's somewhat odd to me, as when the new buses now days with the Iris coming along, shortly after only a few P2s were given a temporary stickers, but nothing else was given a big change like what happened back then.

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« Reply #85 on: February 10, 2017, 11:44:21 AM »
If you're referring to the Mercs that we're repainted into the Mk2 Renault livery from the old Z stripe livery, that occurred as a part of ACTION's refurb program at the time. More info here: http://actbus.net/the-action-line-on-refurbishing/

As for which Mercs had a modified livery, I can't recall those off the top of my head. You could try searching the wiki for "trial livery" and "experimental livery" though.

Adding such a category to the Wiki may be something to put on our to-do list.
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« Reply #86 on: February 11, 2017, 07:15:01 PM »
I've been doing a little bit of research just now on the PR3s. I just wanted to confirm, the 'a' on the end of any of them meant them as being wheelchair accessible buses (or/and trial/experimental) is that correct? Other than those features they were pretty much the same bus?

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« Reply #87 on: February 11, 2017, 07:38:38 PM »
I've been doing a little bit of research just now on the PR3s. I just wanted to confirm, the 'a' on the end of any of them meant them as being wheelchair accessible buses (or/and trial/experimental) is that correct? Other than those features they were pretty much the same bus?
The .3a buses were high floor 100.3s with a wheelchair ramp and sloped entry floor plus wheelchair bays. BUS-113 was a prototype and the rest were production vehicles (113 was used in service at Brisbane Transport for demonstration with step entry). Apart from 113 the others featured MACK badges, plug doors and also had a number of halogen down lights in the entry area.

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« Reply #88 on: February 24, 2017, 07:43:45 PM »
Passing a Euro 6 on the way home just now reminded me of something.

Apparently there's two refueler entries on the drivers side of the Euro 6s, one of them's obviously for Diesel, but what's the other for?

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« Reply #89 on: February 24, 2017, 07:59:21 PM »
Passing a Euro 6 on the way home just now reminded me of something.

Apparently there's two refueler entries on the drivers side of the Euro 6s, one of them's obviously for Diesel, but what's the other for?

AdBlue.

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« Reply #90 on: February 24, 2017, 08:01:28 PM »
and what's AdBlue used for?

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« Reply #91 on: February 24, 2017, 08:05:07 PM »

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« Reply #92 on: February 24, 2017, 08:14:53 PM »
Aha, I understand now, thank you.

Very interesting read too.

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« Reply #93 on: February 25, 2017, 08:33:39 AM »
Does the red gauge towards the back of the right hand side have something to do with AdBlue?

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« Reply #94 on: February 25, 2017, 11:13:24 AM »
No. That's a coolant gauge.

The Adblue level is displayed on the dash.

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« Reply #95 on: February 25, 2017, 11:29:05 PM »
Will the new Bustech and AVASS buses be used on the weekend services?

Well, I can confirm that for the Bustech, just saw 622 at Tuggeranong about to depart on a 900, probably one of the last ones for today. So that is a yes.

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« Reply #96 on: March 10, 2017, 09:53:25 AM »
I just wanted to ask, which of the remaining P3s are stripped from ads and such?

I was thinking of hiring one some time soon for reasons I don't want to reveal as of yet, but other than 120 (cause i was taking photos of it yesterday), which of the P3s have no ads on the door side, and appear to look like the livery has had a new paint job to look as surprisingly shiny as 120 did yesterday.

I did have a look at the AOA discussions, but nothing has come up recently on P3s.

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« Reply #97 on: March 12, 2017, 10:22:26 AM »
Can't report on them all, but many of the Belconnen PR100.3s are ad-free.

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« Reply #98 on: March 12, 2017, 03:14:20 PM »
Ok cool, I'll have a look at the wiki for those no.s

(edit) oh yeah, have they stopped rear window ads too, and is that still a thing?

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« Reply #99 on: March 24, 2017, 02:08:47 AM »
I've been noticing a lot of graffiti around the place...
...all over the Interchanges (specifically Woden)...
...and on 818 in Woden depot

Just to update what I had said there, the graffiti on Wodens roof is still there... and it was all 4 of the broken buses near the Athllon gate at woden depot - 818, 300, 995, or whatever the other was. It would appear that someone made a somewhat effort to wash it off, but instead just smudged it out leaving a grey mess, which does not look nice.

Anyway...
I'll have to find out exactly which bus it was when this happened last year, unless it's the same one, but hopefully after this morning the driver of bus 593 reported the problem with his buses bike rack and windscreen wipers - the problem where ... the handlebar of someones bike can jam the movement of the door-side windscreen wiper because it is leaning too far toward the buses window.

Now that I think of it, that's another issue with the bucket racks, something I shall mention to ACTION next time I call them.
The reason I say that, is because of the arm that the bucket racks use, it pulls the front wheel of a bike closer towards the front of the bus more than the arm of the yellow racks do.

I've had this issue before (as I mention above), some time last year on the way home from woden on a Euro 6 bus on the weekend when it was raining.
Basically what happens is, when the bike is lodged into place, it'll lean against the front window due to the arm angle, and when the wiper is activated by the driver, it'll likely move up, but when it comes back down, it gets stopped by the handlebar of the bike - and it is really tough to get it unstuck  :-[
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« Reply #100 on: April 13, 2017, 11:04:19 PM »
Two questions.
1. Am I right in assuming the vertically alternating NEXT and STOP is unique to bus343?
2. Buses 343 and 344 are shown in the fleet list as having the name 'Sigourney' - which one is actually Sigourney?

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« Reply #101 on: April 14, 2017, 02:56:06 AM »
1. Yes
2. 343 is Sigourney, 344 is Baldrick

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« Reply #102 on: April 14, 2017, 02:41:30 PM »
2. Buses 343 and 344 are shown in the fleet list as having the name 'Sigourney' - which one is actually Sigourney?
Thank you. Error has been corrected.

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« Reply #103 on: May 02, 2017, 06:58:37 PM »
With the latest withdrawals, we've now passed a milestone: there are fewer than 100 Renaults remaining in service.

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« Reply #104 on: May 02, 2017, 11:15:02 PM »
Renault PR100.2 Mkll are shown under fleet in the Transport Canberra site as having standoing capacity of 27 whereas the figure displayed on the rear of buses looked at is 26.

A typo, a carryover from an earlier model, a change during the model run, or ...........

A minor detail and I assume the legally required  display of the figure on the bus is the correct one,

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« Reply #105 on: May 20, 2017, 03:46:51 PM »
A carryover from the Mk1, as far as I can tell. (Mk1 were 42 seated and 27 standing whereas Mk2 are 43 seated and 26 standing.)

The fleetwiki Fleet Specifications page has been updated to include the full capacity (where known). At the moment, we don't have the number for the Renault artics, but might find something in the photo gallery.

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« Reply #106 on: May 20, 2017, 07:25:04 PM »
The 180 artics total capacity was 110 on both Mks

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« Reply #107 on: May 20, 2017, 08:31:30 PM »
Thanks for capacity data info and for wiki update to include that. (Had suspected the Renault Mk 1 capacities had been shown by TC for the Mk 11.)


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« Reply #108 on: May 20, 2017, 09:56:39 PM »
At the moment, we don't have the number for the Renault artics, but might find something in the photo gallery.

According to one of the few photos of PR180.2s I have where capacity data is visible/clear enough to read...

PR180.2 MkI (With Luggage Rack) Total Capacity: 110; 61 seated/41 standing (based of 725)
PR180.2 MkI (Without Luggage Rack) Total Capacity: 110; 65 seated/45 standing (based of 726)
PR180.2 MkII Total Capacity: 110; 69 seated/41 standing (based off 986)

(This is subject to buses displaying the correct data which isn't always the case even in the current fleet...)

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« Reply #109 on: May 20, 2017, 11:02:08 PM »
PR180.2 MkI (With Luggage Rack) Total Capacity: 110; 61 seated/41 standing (based of 725)

(This is subject to buses displaying the correct data which isn't always the case even in the current fleet...)


Except 61+41≠102. Perhaps the other 8 could fit on the roof?

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« Reply #110 on: May 21, 2017, 02:09:05 AM »
(This is subject to buses displaying the correct data which isn't always the case even in the current fleet...)

And of course, those are stickers which can be pealed or wear off over time.

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« Reply #111 on: May 21, 2017, 09:58:39 AM »

Except 61+41≠102. Perhaps the other 8 could fit on the roof?

While we're in the mood for typos, you'll find 61+41 does in fact equal 102, despite what you say there...  :P

What it doesn't equal is the 110 I said it did, and that's because I was meant to say 61 seated/49 standing for that model (must've had the Mark II on the mind).

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« Reply #112 on: May 21, 2017, 07:50:20 PM »
While we're in the mood for typos, you'll find 61+41 does in fact equal 102, despite what you say there...  :P

What it doesn't equal is the 110 I said it did, and that's because I was meant to say 61 seated/49 standing for that model (must've had the Mark II on the mind).
I did mean to write 61+41≠110, so it wasn't a typo, just had the actual calculation in my mind when I typed it. I did notice my error but that was a moment after I pressed post

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« Reply #113 on: May 21, 2017, 08:33:29 PM »
I did mean to write 61+41≠110, so it wasn't a typo, just had the actual calculation in my mind when I typed it. I did notice my error but that was a moment after I pressed post
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« Reply #114 on: June 24, 2017, 11:11:20 PM »
Any ideas on why a PR2 just raced past my house (which doesn't even get weekend services) at 10:45pm on a Saturday night?  :o

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« Reply #115 on: June 24, 2017, 11:12:29 PM »
Any ideas on why a PR2 just raced past my house (which doesn't even get weekend services) at 10:45pm on a Saturday night?  :o

Was it pink?

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« Reply #116 on: June 25, 2017, 11:46:18 AM »
Was it pink?
I don't think so, but only got a brief view of the back as when I first heard it and thought that sounds like a PR2 I was like no it can't be and ignored it until it came past and I couldn't ignore it any longer. If it was pink, it would be quite out of place in Fadden

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« Reply #117 on: June 25, 2017, 12:03:17 PM »
I don't think so, but only got a brief view of the back as when I first heard it and thought that sounds like a PR2 I was like no it can't be and ignored it until it came past and I couldn't ignore it any longer. If it was pink, it would be quite out of place in Fadden

I very much doubt it would have been a current ACTION PR100.2. If it was pink though it would've (probably) had flashing lights and loud music coming from within. Of course, the lights and music could've been switched off while driving through suburbia given the time of night. Then again, it might not have even been the pink one in question - there is more than one ex ACTION Renault PR100.2 running about down here...

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« Reply #118 on: July 01, 2017, 03:46:12 PM »
My understanding was all ACTION buses were speed limited at 85kph, but I have recently been on 589 and 615 reaching 92 and 97kph respectively on the Yamba descent on 67N/66N. Are only some buses speed limited, or perhaps it only kicks in with the accelerator and not when the bus is rolling down a hill?


On a side note 316 and 368 came past today presumably on driver training duties.

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« Reply #119 on: July 07, 2017, 02:22:30 PM »
Bus 154 was being towed by the tow truck down Cohen Street early this afternoon.

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« Reply #120 on: August 02, 2017, 08:36:30 PM »
Not sure if it's a new vehicle or rebranded but the operations ute 209-828 has a blue TC design.

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« Reply #121 on: August 03, 2017, 09:30:59 AM »
They are new, despite reusing old rego numbers. (There are two of them - both 2017 Ford Rangers.)

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« Reply #122 on: August 20, 2017, 07:00:46 AM »
Are the new Bustechs having the 'no entry' sign on the rear door applied?

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« Reply #123 on: August 20, 2017, 09:34:20 AM »
The Tuggeranong ones don't, nor does 621. Last one to get one was 631 (based on photos).

While I'm here: something that went unnoticed recently, Scania buses now constitute a little over 50% of the fleet.
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« Reply #124 on: August 30, 2017, 10:50:59 AM »
Is there any known reason for the fleet numbers 710-12 being used...

That's reminding me of the Iris buses, and why 300 was the new numbering instead of 200 or 160.

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« Reply #125 on: August 30, 2017, 12:22:08 PM »
Was that a question or a statement?

Because if it was a question, it has been asked and answered before.
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« Reply #126 on: August 30, 2017, 04:27:42 PM »
157 onwards were used in the early 00s for the leased Hinos and a couple of demonstrators. 200 series was skipped to avoid clashing with radio numbers IIRC

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« Reply #127 on: September 15, 2017, 09:37:36 AM »
712 is diesel electric vehicle which means it runs using a diesel generator to power an electric engine, not unlike a diesel locomotive train.

Oh, well that makes more sense now.
While I think of it, what's happening with 711, shouldn't it be in use now too?

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« Reply #128 on: September 18, 2017, 02:13:30 PM »
Bus 505 noticed today has a stuck on 2 line notice in front of driver above the front window. It reads "MyWay NXTBUS Interface Test Bus" and "Test Driver Automated Login and GPS Function".

Still an active requirement or just a left-over from the MyWay introductory phase? Other test buses?

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« Reply #129 on: October 05, 2017, 10:00:22 AM »
^ When first installed, both the Wayfarer system and NXTBUS had to be logged in separately. They later added an interface where NXTBUS would log itself in based on the Wayfarer login. Also, the Wayfarer would use the GPS signal from NXTBUS rather than its own.

It looks like 505 was a test bus for this interface, but it was successfully rolled out quite some time ago now.

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Rather than update the desto file in the Irisbuses, they have instead decided to upgrade* the system by replacing the Mobitec controller with a Hanover controller and loading the flip-dot version (used in the Scania L94s).

So far, this has been sighted on Buses 302 and 308, but they should all (except 307) be done soon.

(* some would argue this is a downgrade, but it will result in all but 7 buses in the fleet with the same make of destination controller.)

EDIT: Only 7 buses are non-Hanover.
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« Reply #130 on: October 06, 2017, 06:10:14 PM »
Noticed several 'not in service' buses with the rear route number window, previously left blank in this situation, now showing a bus outline instead.

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« Reply #131 on: October 06, 2017, 10:45:32 PM »
The side desto shows the bus pictagram too

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« Reply #132 on: October 09, 2017, 11:57:46 PM »
Further to the desto programming changes mentioned - PR2s now have "sorry, not in service" crammed in. The Transport Canberra desto now has the TC logo displayed after the words Transport Canberra, at least on stags and Bustechs

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« Reply #133 on: October 10, 2017, 07:37:55 AM »
something I noticed yesterday is the back desto for route 11 switches between the route number and an airplane pictagram 

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« Reply #134 on: October 10, 2017, 05:20:36 PM »
Also a glaring change that I couldn't quite place yesterday - they have gone back from the scrolling via points to just changing between them.
Route 6 uses a 2 line desto on PR2s (at least for northbound - as I recall the 182 was 2 lined for southbound and 1 line for northbound in the last network)
Not sure if this is the right thread for this whole discussion though


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« Reply #135 on: October 10, 2017, 10:36:34 PM »
Route 6 uses a 2 line desto on PR2s (at least for northbound - as I recall the 182 was 2 lined for southbound and 1 line for northbound in the last network)
Not deliberately. A few PR100.2s had the wrong desto file loaded, 927 being one.
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