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STAG Approved runs

Started by CNG, September 24, 2014, 09:21:09 pm

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CNG

I was interested could someone give me a list of the current STAG approved runs?

King of Buses

The ones I know of are...
300 Series (300,313,314,315,318,319,343)
200 Series (200 and 202 only)
2, 3, 4, 5 (I think - they were on the old network - not much has changed so I'd say they could be still)
7 (not sure about the Museum bit)
8
12/712
13/313
14/314/714
15/315
18/318/718*
19/319/719*
31
39
40 (I think only the school one from near Jamison to Belco is done by one though)
43/343/743*
705 (they can get through Cooleman Court apparently)
720 (actually is...including Farrer Terminus)
749
775

*=Not including deviations through schools e.g. Covenant CLG and Macgregor PS


I hope that helps. It may not be 100% accurate though. Maybe one of the drivers could help out here...

Bus 400

I know for certain that a 250 is on a stag shift.

Skitube

Quote from: King of Buses on September 24, 2014, 10:10:10 pm
The ones I know of are...
300 Series (300,313,314,315,318,319,343)
200 Series (200 and 202 only)
2, 3, 4, 5 (I think - they were on the old network - not much has changed so I'd say they could be still)
7 (not sure about the Museum bit)
8
12/712
13/313
14/314/714
15/315
18/318/718*
19/319/719*
31
39
40 (I think only the school one from near Jamison to Belco is done by one though)
43/343/743*
705 (they can get through Cooleman Court apparently)
720 (actually is...including Farrer Terminus)
749
775



not so sure about 8, never seen STAG on 8
7 is fully STAG approved
haven't seen STAG on 2 and 3 yet, have seen STAG and 4 and 5 in the new network
not so sure about 31, especially the roundabout in Kaleen
40 has quite a few STAG runs, can't remember which ones, a few in the morning and a few in the arvo, including the short one
Have seen STAG on 39
720's been using STAG since the last network, pretty sure 732 is approved as well

King of Buses

Quote from: Skitube on September 25, 2014, 08:00:09 pm
not so sure about 8, never seen STAG on 8
720's been using STAG since the last network, pretty sure 732 is approved as well


The 8 says it is Steer-Tag accessible according to driver lefts and rights.
Yes, I may have missed the 250 and 732...

Skitube

Quote from: King of Buses on September 25, 2014, 09:02:35 pm
The 8 says it is Steer-Tag accessible according to driver lefts and rights.
Yes, I may have missed the 250 and 732...


think 1 is only not STAG approved because of the roundabout at Lyneham shops, otherwise would be STAG approved as it's mostly 3+8 (kinda)

The Love Guru

Approval has nothing to do with roundabouts or road design. Routes 16 and 17 are ideally suited road wise for STAG use but are not approved.
Now that Erindale had been fixed the is not a run on the network that couldn't be STAG approved. They are just as maneuverable as any 12.5m bus.
If Roads ACT used the technical data for the buses instead of just lumping them with b-doubles then we would have all route availability.
On a side note, no coach in excess of 12.5m can feasibly operate in the ACT under the current approved routes. There is technically no access to many of the sightseeing attractions that you see these restricted access buses at everyday.
It appears ACTION are the only operator to actually have the correct approvals to operate restricted access buses/coaches.

King of Buses

If thats the case,
I'd love to see a STAG on a 65 to Woden turn onto Longmore from Langdon :P
Meaning it goes around (or over like all other buses) that stupidly small roundabout...and dodge to signs on the traffic islands either side...

The Love Guru

I'd put money that it will get around without hassle. Those roundabouts are built to be driven over (the lower bit).

CNG

Those Gunghalin runs such as a 51 would be near impossible for a STAG however I think they should be approved on the 16 and 17.

The Love Guru

Not correct. Pretty much anywhere a rigid 12.5m can go the STAGs will get through. The only time you have an issue is at really sharp turns where you need to drive the wheelbase into an intersection before you start your turn.

Barry Drive

Remember, just because a route is STAG approved doesn't mean that any of its runs are STAG operated. For Network 14, STAGs are almost only run on Blue Rapids (plus local variations such as 13, 14, 18, 19, 43 etc.), 200 and 250. Despite being approved, I don't know of any Xpressos (other than 705) that are on STAG shifts, and there are only a few suburban routes (12, 39 & 40).

A few other comments:

Quote from: King of Buses on September 26, 2014, 09:44:06 pm
I'd love to see a STAG on a 65 to Woden turn onto Longmore from Langdon :P
Meaning it goes around (or over like all other buses) that stupidly small roundabout...and dodge to signs on the traffic islands either side...
What would you say then, if I told you that the old route 770 was STAG approved - which included the said Longmore / Langdon intersection?

Quote from: Skitube on September 25, 2014, 08:00:09 pm
7 is fully STAG approved

No, it isn't.

Quote from: King of Buses on September 24, 2014, 10:10:10 pm
43/343/743*

*=Not including deviations through schools e.g. Covenant CLG and Macgregor PS

Yes, it is: Macgregor PS deviation is approved.

lukeo25

I don't think the 21/22 is a stag approved route due to the tight corner from Plunkett St onto Maclaurin Crescent in Chifley especially with all the cars which park on the street.

Buzz Killington

Interesting that the old 770 was approved. The Langdon/Longmore intersection wouldn't be much of an issue given it travelled straight through it. The turn from Gaunson into Langdon was rarely made without the trailer of an artic clipping a kerb, and the Bugden/Bramston intersection often resulted in buses letting the cars go first, or the cars stopping well back from the stop line.

The Love Guru

You people don't listen real well!
Approval has nothing to do with the tightness of turns unless the bus has to cross to the wrong side of road.
Has more to do with bridges and runs that ACTION have applied to have approved.
The roads on the route are what is approved, so no matter what run the bus is on it can use said roads.

Skitube

If 7 is not fully STAG approved, how do you explain this?

The Love Guru

Wrong desto, driver was scrolling through destos when lights changed and stopped on Route 7. Covering a breakdown. Deliberately trying to mislead the ACTBUS nuffy squad.

Plenty of possibilities

Skitube

it was genuinely doing a rt 7, so perhaps it was covering a breakdown. but i've seen it in the morning quite a few times, can't remember the exact time but about 8 ish

Busfanatic101

I've never seen STAG's operating on weekends. Is there any reason for this?


Quote from: The Love Guru on September 25, 2014, 10:49:08 pm
Approval has nothing to do with roundabouts or road design. Routes 16 and 17 are ideally suited road wise for STAG use but are not approved.
Now that Erindale had been fixed the is not a run on the network that couldn't be STAG approved. They are just as maneuverable as any 12.5m bus.

I don't see why they don't use STAGs on 900.

Skitube

probably because they don't want anything other than WB buses out on weekends (iris.......)

Busfanatic101

November 17, 2014, 09:30:06 pm #20 Last Edit: November 17, 2014, 09:31:31 pm by ...
Quote from: Skitube on November 17, 2014, 09:10:06 pm
probably because they don't want anything other than WB buses out on weekends (iris.......)


That makes sense. and because weekend routes are so horrible, people would want to cycle to the nearest major bus point.

Should they put out STAGs over non-wheelchair access buses in case of WB bus shortage on weekends?

Barry Drive


Buzz Killington

Aside from the 900 I doubt patronage would be of a level to necessitate the use of STAGs on weekends.

Skitube

even when there are special events on weekends, only artics tend to come out for those, not STags, but I have seen STags on belco-AIS for games before

Bus 400

November 18, 2014, 06:54:24 am #24 Last Edit: November 18, 2014, 06:55:07 am by Bus 400
Quote from: Buzz Killington on November 17, 2014, 09:54:47 pm
Aside from the 900 I doubt patronage would be of a level to necessitate the use of STAGs on weekends.

I don't know,  those 981's can be popular.....

On a serious note though, around peak time some of the 950's & 980's (Fyshwick to City) can be pretty popular.

King of Buses

Quote from: Bus 400 on November 18, 2014, 06:54:24 am
I don't know,  those 981's can be popular.....


I don't think its what you meant, but STAGs going through the Arboretum to that small carpark on the northern side of it...and up Black Mtn. That would be fun.

Tuggers Depot also don't send out artics on weekends even though there is artW shifts. Either something to do with not enough patronage or giving the STAGs and artics a 'rest'. Not including the special services and that though...both depots often send out both for these (the STAGs less so)

King of Buses

I'm not sure whats up with the artics this morning, but I've only seen two around and a lot of runs which are normally run by artics being run by other buses including busy school runs (like 876 on S/R 897) and other runs (like 565 on a 19S)

Though I did learn that S/R 651 is now STAG accessible apparently...whether that be legally approved or just allocated, I don't know. But it had 470 this morning. It made the Mackillop CLG Isa driveway by the looks of it too so I guess that was the only bit not approved to my knowledge...


The Love Guru

Private access roads to schools etc don't require approval, similar to the ANU

Busfanatic101

June 01, 2015, 01:35:20 pm #28 Last Edit: June 01, 2015, 08:30:21 pm by Busfanatic101
Quote from: King of Buses on June 01, 2015, 09:44:32 am
I'm not sure whats up with the artics this morning, but I've only seen two around and a lot of runs which are normally run by artics being run by other buses including busy school runs (like 876 on S/R 897) and other runs (like 565 on a 19S)


My morning bus usually done by a tuggies artic didn't even turn up this morning, I had to wait 20 minutes for the next bus... So whatever this is may explain it

King of Buses

Quote from: The Love Guru on June 01, 2015, 12:36:20 pm
Private access roads to schools etc don't require approval, similar to the ANU


Well...the 651, 606 and probably several other School runs are STAG approved...even if it is a tight squeeze especially when cars are parked parallel to the bus at Mackillop...

Quote from: Busfanatic101 on June 01, 2015, 01:35:20 pm
My morning bus usually done by a artic didn't even turn up this morning, I had to wait 20 minutes for the next bus... So whatever this is may explain it


I saw 536 on S/R 568 and 527 on a 313...I didn't see any artics anywhere else like I normally would...not even at T Depot (includes Workshops!). Does anyone actually know anything about this?

Bus 503

834 was running about 20 minutes late today - instead if coming at 8:15 it came at 8:35 at the City, this was a Tuggy artic shift

I saw a STAG displaying 57 on the desto today on Northbourne Ave near the Pavillion - I think this means the 57 is STAG approved.



King of Buses

467 ran a 61 and a 21 last night...as well as a 25 (but that is actually STAG approved...actually, hang on, no. I don't think the back of Westfield is. Maybe the 25 isn't but the 725 is :/). Usually a Renault PR100.2 (or a .3 sometimes). Not sure how it would've gone in Wanniassa, Chifley or Pearce...

Bus 503

466 operated the 8:12AM route 30 from the City to Belconnen. I didn't know the route 30 was STAG approved. Normally this shift receives a Belconnen-based low-floor standard bus.

Sylvan Loves Buses

Have any of the numbers changed from this list as of the latest network change? I'm interested to know now too.

King of Buses

The approved runs at present that I am aware of are:

2, 3, 4, 5, 8, 12/712, 313, 14/314/714, 15/315, 16/316, 717, 18/318/718, 19/318/319, 725, 726, 39, 40, 43/343/743, 744, 54/254, 200, 202, 250, 300, 668, 705, 720, 732, 749.


There are other runs which could be approved based on approved roads, but aren't as far as I know actually approved routes (i.e. 17, 44, 11A, 775).

Sylvan Loves Buses

That's so few, I'm surprised.

Busfanatic101

Quote from: King of Buses on September 26, 2014, 09:44:06 pm
If thats the case,
I'd love to see a STAG on a 65 to Woden turn onto Longmore from Langdon :P
Meaning it goes around (or over like all other buses) that stupidly small roundabout...and dodge to signs on the traffic islands either side...



483 just came past on a northbound 65 - the first instance of a STAG doing a 65 I know of. Only the 3rd time I've seen a STAG come past on Bugden Ave.

King of Buses

Quote from: Busfanatic101 on February 16, 2018, 06:11:31 pm

483 just came past on a northbound 65 - the first instance of a STAG doing a 65 I know of. Only the 3rd time I've seen a STAG come past on Bugden Ave.


Looks like someone stuffed up...

The 65 (nor 171, which it is now doing) is not approved in the entirety to allow STAGs to legally operate those runs, as far as I'm aware.


Bus 503

Quote from: Busfanatic101 on February 16, 2018, 06:11:31 pm

483 just came past on a northbound 65 - the first instance of a STAG doing a 65 I know of. Only the 3rd time I've seen a STAG come past on Bugden Ave.


Sorry, off topic, but what program are you using to track the buses? Is it an app? If so, what app?

Busfanatic101

Quote from: Bus 503 on February 16, 2018, 08:28:05 pm
Sorry, off topic, but what program are you using to track the buses? Is it an app? If so, what app?

Tripmate on android. Can't search by bus but will give you bus number and location for any service you select as long as the nxtbus systemof that bus thinks its currently doing that run (so from when the system concludes the previous service and before it commences the next service).

Bus 503

There was a shift on the route 4 that was being run by a STAG during the 2017-2018 summer holidays reduced timetable.

Bus 503

Bus 467 did SR823 today (normally covered by an articulated bus).

Busfanatic101

Quote from: Busfanatic101 on February 16, 2018, 06:11:31 pm483 just came past on a northbound 65 - the first instance of a STAG doing a 65 I know of. Only the 3rd time I've seen a STAG come past on Bugden Ave.
Just had a STAG come through on a 65 again, second time ever.