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« on: July 06, 2012, 11:05:23 PM »
This may be a false alarm, but for several days Bus 700 has been parked on eastern edge of Tuggy bricks (facing north), the usual location where prospective retirees spend their last days @ Tugg Depot.

It has not been in service since 29 June 12.

From a quick inspection, none of the obvious 'hot' items had been removed as at 1800 today. Repeat: This may be a false alarm.

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Re: Renault artic withdrawals
« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2012, 06:06:23 PM »
False alarm. I rode on 700 today.

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« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2012, 08:44:08 PM »
That's good to hear, as Bus 701 was sitting next to Bus 700 on the weekend.

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Re: Renault artic withdrawals
« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2012, 11:27:14 PM »
False alarm. I rode on 700 today.

On Monday, I noticed the reason why 700 had been grounded for so long - the concertina had been damaged, pulled away from the frame it fits in.

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Re: Renault artic withdrawals
« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2012, 10:08:59 PM »
Another false alarm? 726 is parked at the back of B depot workshops - ticket equipment removed, but Motorola still installed.

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« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2012, 11:36:37 PM »
Another false alarm? 726 is parked at the back of B depot workshops - ticket equipment removed, but Motorola still installed.

Let's hope it is a temporary grounding as 726 is 'a good one'.

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Re: Renault artic withdrawals
« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2012, 11:38:48 AM »
Another false alarm? 726 is parked at the back of B depot workshops - ticket equipment removed, but Motorola still installed.

726 was back at Tuggy today; apparently Belco Workshop fitted a new diff to it, and it should be back in service tomorrow.

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Re: Renault artic withdrawals
« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2012, 01:56:09 PM »
Until driver training with bus 506 is complete i would be extremely surprised if any artics are withdrawn. Even after the new artics enter service, i'm sure there will be a period where we have additional artics in the fleet than present to ensure availability during the teething period for the new Scanias. If the 14.5s are anything to go by, the teething period could be quite prolonged and deal with some major design flaws.

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Re: Renault artic withdrawals
« Reply #8 on: September 03, 2012, 08:04:02 PM »
Less likely to be a false alarm this time: a Mk1 artic is parked at Woden Depot (as mentioned on twitter by @actbus). No details yet as to which one.

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Re: Renault artic withdrawals
« Reply #9 on: September 03, 2012, 09:16:28 PM »
720?

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Re: Renault artic withdrawals
« Reply #10 on: September 03, 2012, 11:26:55 PM »
It didn't appear to have the no smoking stickers which rules out 700 and 704.

ACTbusspotter says either 708 or 720. With 506 in service, it could be either. 720 could have been taken out on mechanical grounds and 708 sent to T to replace it. Or 720 is at B for repairs and 708 has been withdrawn.

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Re: Renault artic withdrawals
« Reply #11 on: September 04, 2012, 07:37:06 AM »
Bus 400 has confirmed its 720 at Woden.

708 not at Belconnen and may have been sent to Tuggeranong to replace 720, as 506 is now in service.

987 at Belconnen for repairs

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Re: Renault artic withdrawals
« Reply #12 on: September 04, 2012, 09:32:42 AM »
708 transfer not confirmed yet. It wasn't evident at Belconnen, but it could have been in the workshops. The other possible candidate for transfer is 985. (I assumed it was there, but maybe what I saw was 987.)

UPDATE: 708 & 985 still at B depot. No transfers have occurred yet.
« Last Edit: September 06, 2012, 11:16:11 AM by ACTbusspotter »

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Re: Renault artic withdrawals
« Reply #13 on: September 06, 2012, 10:53:56 AM »
720 is at Woden in SNT shed. Still has My Way equip though.

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Re: Renault artic withdrawals
« Reply #14 on: September 11, 2012, 11:32:40 PM »
Training for workshops staff on the new Scania artics was scheduled for this week; being conducted by the Scania organisation.

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Re: Renault artic withdrawals
« Reply #15 on: September 25, 2012, 12:18:50 PM »
724 despatched from Tuggy Depot under tow at around 1030am today, apparently headed for Belco Depot. This bus has some issues.

Meanwhile @ Woden Depot, 720 was stripped of ACTION logos, bus numbers etc towards the end of last week.

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Re: Renault artic withdrawals
« Reply #16 on: September 25, 2012, 12:57:31 PM »
724 despatched from Tuggy Depot under tow at around 1030am today, apparently headed for Belco Depot. This bus has some issues.

Meanwhile @ Woden Depot, 720 was stripped of ACTION logos, bus numbers etc towards the end of last week.

Bus 724 was on the 788  this mornin'. Yes, it does have issues considering it has some stitch-up work a few years back...

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Re: Renault artic withdrawals
« Reply #17 on: September 25, 2012, 05:39:54 PM »
There was a bus breakdown on the Monaro this morning. Perhaps that was 724?

710 was sounding a bit rough when I caught it last week.

Presumably the artics are all marked for sale rather than scrap.
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Re: Renault artic withdrawals
« Reply #18 on: September 25, 2012, 07:41:20 PM »
Not sure where 724 came to grief.

As I understand it, the artics will be sold through a tender process rather than outright sale.

Can't say I've driven 710 for a while, but overall, the Tuggy Mark 1 artics seem to be in pretty good mechanical condition, (certainly compared with several years ago) and they're generally a pleasure to drive.

In fact one of the oldest (702) is one of my favourites at present.

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Re: Renault artic withdrawals
« Reply #19 on: September 26, 2012, 01:40:41 PM »
710 sounded relatively normal this morning when I had it.
But I hope they don't withdraw 725 or 719. they're are both really good in my opinion.
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Re: Renault artic withdrawals
« Reply #20 on: September 26, 2012, 01:55:37 PM »
Yes, 724 was doing a 788 when it broke down. Was at Belconnen Depot last night - ticket equipment had been removed, so it might be the next candidate for withdrawal/scrapping.

But I hope they don't withdraw 725 or 719. they're are both really good in my opinion.
They will ALL be withdrawn in the next 12 months or sooner anyway.

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Re: Renault artic withdrawals
« Reply #21 on: September 26, 2012, 05:26:36 PM »
Yes, 724 was doing a 788 when it broke down. Was at Belconnen Depot last night - ticket equipment had been removed, so it might be the next candidate for withdrawal/scrapping.
They will ALL be withdrawn in the next 12 months or sooner anyway.

even the mk2's?

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Re: Renault artic withdrawals
« Reply #22 on: September 26, 2012, 09:54:53 PM »
They've ordered the replacements for the Mk2's - we're just waiting on a delivery schedule for them

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Re: Renault artic withdrawals
« Reply #23 on: September 27, 2012, 12:55:04 AM »
They've ordered the replacements for the Mk2's - we're just waiting on a delivery schedule for them

I don't think that it should be assumed that the Mark 2's would all necessarily be retired AFTER the Mark 1's.

The artics are like the proverbial axe....I understand that bits of them have been replaced/upgraded so often over so many years - including very recently - that the nominal age of each of them is not necessarily a very good guide as to their individual future longevity with ACTION.

Suspect that we might see some Renault artics around for a bit longer than the 12 month replacement program could imply.

On the other hand, if ACTION's patronage levels implode in the event of Federal Government staff cutbacks (as occurred in the mid 70s and late 1980s), then things could look very different.

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Re: Renault artic withdrawals
« Reply #24 on: October 03, 2012, 10:17:18 PM »
Safe to say that 724 won't be re-entering service. In which case it will most likely be stripped for parts. So far it hasn't moved from where it was towed to last week.

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Re: Renault artic withdrawals
« Reply #25 on: October 03, 2012, 11:17:50 PM »
Safe to say that 724 won't be re-entering service. In which case it will most likely be stripped for parts. So far it hasn't moved from where it was towed to last week.

Any word on what the issue is with 724?

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« Reply #26 on: October 03, 2012, 11:20:53 PM »

On the other hand, if ACTION's patronage levels implode in the event of Federal Government staff cutbacks (as occurred in the mid 70s and late 1980s), then things could look very different.

Meant to say 'mid 1970s and late 1990s' as a result of significant Razor Gang cuts to Australian Public Service staffing levels by the Fraser and Howard governments respectively.

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Re: Renault artic withdrawals
« Reply #27 on: October 07, 2012, 05:22:35 AM »
An option floated is for 724 and another Renault artic to be combined to make a single workable unit.

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« Reply #28 on: October 07, 2012, 01:11:37 PM »
Well I have seen the fleet numbers are missing from the trailer of 724 (& have been informed the numbers are missing from everywhere). Now I hope the trailer is used, then the trailer would of been on 3 buses.

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Re: Renault artic withdrawals
« Reply #29 on: October 07, 2012, 03:06:46 PM »
Would there be any point?

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Re: Renault artic withdrawals
« Reply #30 on: October 07, 2012, 07:02:39 PM »
Can you guys please keep us updated with the arctic withdrawals as the company I work for is looking to source some....ADAMS in WA, we already have a sizeable fleet of ex Action Reno rigids which are all impressive units far superior than ex Transperth stuff.



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Re: Renault artic withdrawals
« Reply #31 on: October 07, 2012, 09:30:38 PM »
Would there be any point?

Because they can.

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Re: Renault artic withdrawals
« Reply #32 on: October 08, 2012, 10:16:37 AM »
These days they wouldn't do something like that just because they can - they would do it if it was necessary. With the new artics ready to roll, there probably is not a need to spend time and money stitching up two of the old artics when they are withdrawing them when a new one enters service.

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« Reply #33 on: October 08, 2012, 12:27:25 PM »
But when it comes to selling them to someone like Adams. You would get more bang for your buck by making a 1 good bus out of 2 bad buses. Rather then just scrapping 2 buses.

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Re: Renault artic withdrawals
« Reply #34 on: October 08, 2012, 04:04:37 PM »
Can you guys please keep us updated with the arctic withdrawals as the company I work for is looking to source some....ADAMS in WA, we already have a sizeable fleet of ex Action Reno rigids which are all impressive units far superior than ex Transperth stuff.
ACTION have stated (on thier website) that they expect to offer buses for sale by tender towards the end of this year. But I would suggest that the first buses to be withdrawn from service are the ones best avoided. If you can wait until mid 2013, you might get the better buses.

Keep a watch on this topic - quite sure that all artic withdrawals will be documented here.

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« Reply #35 on: October 10, 2012, 07:24:39 PM »
An artic has been transferred to Woden Depot. Going by no fleet numbers on the trailer, it is Bus 724.

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Re: Renault artic withdrawals
« Reply #36 on: October 11, 2012, 08:41:02 AM »
But when it comes to selling them to someone like Adams. You would get more bang for your buck by making a 1 good bus out of 2 bad buses. Rather then just scrapping 2 buses.

If ACTION want 'bang for bucks' they will tear them down for parts. They are worth a lot more in pieces than they are as a whole bus. Until the entire fleet is replaced it wouldn't make a lot of sense to sell decent buses as they are the best candidate for parts.

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Re: Renault artic withdrawals
« Reply #37 on: October 11, 2012, 02:41:05 PM »
Because they can.

It would also be a good learning experience for apprentices.

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Re: Renault artic withdrawals
« Reply #38 on: October 24, 2012, 09:18:47 AM »
There are now two withdrawn artics parked behind Belconnen workshops: 704 & 705.

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« Reply #39 on: November 03, 2012, 01:13:28 PM »
Bus 704 was transferred to Woden Depot this week.

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« Reply #40 on: November 06, 2012, 06:12:06 PM »
Bus 705 had been transferred to Woden. Buses 704 & 705 are now de-ACTIONised & unregistered.

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Re: Renault artic withdrawals
« Reply #41 on: November 10, 2012, 07:56:24 PM »
Bus 706 has been transferred to Woden.

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« Reply #42 on: November 11, 2012, 07:40:20 PM »
Think you'll find these 2 mentioned (704 and 705) suffered major component failure.

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« Reply #43 on: November 11, 2012, 08:40:43 PM »
That would explain 705's nice sizeable leak from near the middle at Woden Depot.

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Re: Renault artic withdrawals
« Reply #44 on: November 11, 2012, 10:55:16 PM »
Think you'll find these 2 mentioned (704 and 705) suffered major component failure.
Not sure what your source is: I can believe it for 720 & 724 (the first two withdrawals), but not 704 & 705.

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« Reply #45 on: November 12, 2012, 09:20:44 PM »
I'd agree with that. 704/705 withdrawn as the oldest units in Belconnen Depot. 720/724 far from the oldest at Tuggeranong and 724 had a breakdown and never went back into service.

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« Reply #46 on: November 28, 2012, 10:18:55 PM »
Ex-Belco 988 was receiving heaps of tender loving care from detailers at Tuggy Depot today - a major job to get it up to an acceptable standard apparently.

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« Reply #47 on: November 29, 2012, 10:57:26 AM »
Ex-Belco 988 was receiving heaps of tender loving care from detailers at Tuggy Depot today - a major job to get it up to an acceptable standard apparently.

Thats nice, 988 is a good bus. Probably the best MKII in my opinion.

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« Reply #48 on: December 01, 2012, 11:47:36 AM »
Ex-Belco 988 was receiving heaps of tender loving care from detailers at Tuggy Depot today - a major job to get it up to an acceptable standard apparently.

Still needs more work I think. The trailer in particular was looking a bit ratty when I caught it during the week. Was really struggling with the heat too. Very slow off the mark.

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Re: Renault artic withdrawals
« Reply #49 on: December 01, 2012, 09:15:57 PM »
708 to Tuggies, 713 withdrawn