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vnguyen

Will the weekend routes also be fixed in the new network?

I hope the 935 and 938 get even timings to Manuka.

King of Buses

I hope, but I doubt it,

besides, we are all still waiting for phase two of Network '08 to come and align weekday and weekend routes!

Bus 400

There was a funding boost for weekend improvements. With guaranteed time changes in Gungahlin & Weston Creek/Molonglo, time changes are expected elsewhere.

King of Buses

Apparently ACTION will be at the Calwell Park 'n' Ride tommorow (not sure on times). ::)

http://www.action.act.gov.au/news/news_articles/action-at-calwell-park-and-ride,-saturday-21-june

It seems that they will have information on 'new' bus services. Not sure if that means network '14 or just the services now servicing Calwell Park'n'ride. A bus will be there too for those wishing to take cameras...

Bus 400

June 20, 2014, 08:27:58 pm #104 Last Edit: June 20, 2014, 08:53:53 pm by Bus 400
A good bus enthusiasts always carries a camera. Otherwise you'll get what I get on my drive to work every so often. Where the buses you want to snap are going the opposite direction.  Or you're catching up to them at 90-110k/hr.

On an on topic point, it's on from 1000 to 1400, see  https://www.allclassifieds.com.au/garage-sales-events/markets-sales/sat-21-jun-2014-car-boot-sale-market-calwell-park/ad42ff71e147b61e45c9a3679e85ab5e5579

vnguyen

Looks like the new network is starting on the 1st of September for weekdays routes and the 6th for weekend routes.

King of Buses

I've heard that Sept 1 may not happen as the shifts put out a week or two ago were withdrawn because of the unions not being happy with the shifts.

Also, as a sidenote, I've noticed that some work is going on in Banks on Wiburd St. It may be bus stop pads or just footpath maintenance. I can't be sure when on an artic powering down Pockett Ave

The Love Guru

There is a dispute between the TWU and ACTION management in regards to the new shifts and their compliance with the EBA. The matter has been lodged with the Fair Work Commissioner and there is due to be a hearing later next week. The outcome of the hearing, along with any negotiations undertaken between the parties will determine whether the new network will start on the advertised date of September 1.

Barry Drive

The latest reports are that the FWC hearing won't be until late August - which means the shift pick and new network will commence as advertised (albeit under protest from TWU). The outcome from the hearing could result in new shifts, but they would need time to be constructed.

Bus 400

August 03, 2014, 07:55:51 pm #109 Last Edit: August 03, 2014, 07:56:10 pm by Bus 400
You'll probably only keep the shifts for a month or so.............

The Love Guru

Just like the current non-compliant shifts! 3 months they said, 27 months is the reality. I'm wondering if a class action against ACTION is possible for employees who have been forced to work in conditions that breach the EBA.

743

Details on the new school network are available at http://www.action.act.gov.au/school_services/school_service_changes.

In addition to listings by school of what have changed, there are new maps for every school service, plus maps of regular routes have been put up where a regular route in some way replaces a current school service - which appears to be most of the new routes, but not all.

vnguyen

There are some routes missing like route 6. So I'm guessing the rest will be uploades in two weeks time.

Barry Drive

Route 6 has been replaced by 4 (south) and 1 (north). The only missing maps are 26-726 & 44-744 AFAIK.

Buzz Killington

Quote from: ACTbusspotter on August 04, 2014, 07:16:27 pm
Route 6 has been replaced by 4 (south) and 1 (north). The only missing maps are 26-726 & 44-744 AFAIK.


705 & 749 are missing too, although that's understandable given they have no 'regular route' equivalent.

King of Buses

202 - Gungahlin to City DIRECT - No stops?

I wonder if this idea will work well. If so, it may be worth extending such services to Tuggeranong and that.
I believe its an AM Peak ONLY service too.

From observation of the 2,3,4,5 maps, I saw no sign of Gold Line/Green Line stuff...

Also to be honest, the streamlining thing hasn't work on all runs (I'm looking at the 4 in particular)

Snorzac

I'm a little concerned about over crowding on the 314...the 314 is a busy run as it is as are the stops through Scullin and Page.

Buzz Killington

The 13/313 look considerably faster now that the 14/314 are servicing Scullin and Page, which looks like it will take a fair bit longer.

Buzz Killington

http://files.transport.act.gov.au/net14_regular_services/network14_51-251-52-252.pdf

Note the reference to 'Page 20' - presumably this confirms the release of a bus book.

Bus 400

Quote from: Buzz Killington on August 04, 2014, 10:52:30 pm
......presumably this confirms the release of a bus book.


This is part of the NXTBUS rollout & luckily I suggested this for a number of reasons. These include for people without access to NXTBUS (oldies), tourists who want to see where to go. These books also are easier for MyWay agents to have on display. I think that's all the reasons I gave.

ajw373

Quote from: Buzz Killington on August 04, 2014, 10:44:33 pm
The 13/313 look considerably faster now that the 14/314 are servicing Scullin and Page, which looks like it will take a fair bit longer.


Mentioning the 313 it is interesting the path that it will take through Kippax and comparing it to the 343.  Basically the 313 is a one way loop through Kippax regardless of weather it is coming from Belconnen or Charnwood, specifically turning off Sourthern Cross drive left into Stark Street, through Kippax and out Moyes. Turning left to Charnwood and right to Belconnen. The 343 on the otherhand will turn left into Moyes through Kippax and out at Starke Charnwood bound and the reverse Belconnen bound.

Presumably the 313 is doing a loop to avoid the need to turn right out of Starke Street onto Southern Cross drive, something the 343 doesn't need to do, but you would have thought they might have made them do an identical path for consistency, especially as these two buses are now the only expresses from Belconnnen so should be doing a common route to Kippax at least. Minor I know but just odd. I also hope they time them to be 15 minutes apart through Kippax, not have them run 5 minutes apart twice an hour.

King of Buses

Quote from: ajw373 on August 05, 2014, 12:34:30 am
I also hope they time them to be 15 minutes apart through Kippax, not have them run 5 minutes apart twice an hour.


What, like the excellent frequency and gap between route 3 and 7 to the ANU?

God I hope they fixed that up too. As well as a 15 min frequency from Kippax to Belconnen with the 313/343.

It also seems the 300, 313 and 343 will be the only Blue Rapids during the offpeak - 14,15,18,19 for those used to the 314, 315, 318 and 319. Now, who else sees how stupid of an idea that is?

Seeing as I'm on the discussion of stupid ideas...look at the 21/22. I know its to avoid crossing the Hindmarsh/Launceston and then the Hindmarsh/Eggleston intersection, but it doesn't really achieve any sort of streamlining...

vnguyen

Is it me or does the new route 4 looks weird. Why can't they used the proposed route where it looks neater and not having it do a loop around Red Hill.

Bus 400

Quote from: King of Buses on August 05, 2014, 05:25:20 pmIt also seems the 300, 313 and 343 will be the only Blue Rapids during the offpeak - 14,15,18,19 for those used to the 314, 315, 318 and 319. Now, who else sees how stupid of an idea that is?


Where do you get this idea from? Routes 314, 315, 318 & 319 are still shown on the route maps. We lost a Blue Rapid service with the 312 & we gained a Blue Rapid service with the 343.

Quote from: King of Buses on August 05, 2014, 05:25:20 pmSeeing as I'm on the discussion of stupid ideas...look at the 21/22. I know its to avoid crossing the Hindmarsh/Launceston and then the Hindmarsh/Eggleston intersection, but it doesn't really achieve any sort of streamlining...


The plan is to avoid buses having to quickly cross Hindmarsh Drive from uncontrolled intersections. In reality, buses on Routes 23/24/921/922 have to go straight into the far right lane after exiting either Lyons or Chifley. This avoids this, the 21/22 go around the back of (former?) Chifley Primary so that the buses can stop outside Chifley Shops.

Comparing the proposed & new route 4, the proposed route would of been a dog leg without producing any new passengers. The new route means less of Red Hill miss out of their bus service & potentially provides new stops.

King of Buses

I've been talking to bus drivers who've read the shifts... That's how I know the 300, 313 and 343 will be the only ones in offpeak...

Barry Drive

Quote from: King of Buses on August 05, 2014, 05:25:20 pm
... As well as a 15 min frequency from Kippax to Belconnen with the 313/343.

It also seems the 300, 313 and 343 will be the only Blue Rapids during the offpeak - 14,15,18,19 for those used to the 314, 315, 318 and 319. Now, who else sees how stupid of an idea that is?

Stupid? Not entirely. What's stupid is the current system where what should be a 5 minute headway results in gaps of 2 min, 3 min then 9 min between services.

By using only 300, 313 & 343 during off peak, they can schedule the services to run at a consistent 7-8 min headway all day. Yes, that's right - 2 services every 15 mins instead of 3. On the positive side, this arrangement will ensure an even 15 gap to/from Kippax.

Why they chose to use 300 instead of the others though is a bit strange - 314, 315, 318 & 319 will now only operate during peaks (and 300 will do partial runs during peak as well).

But it gets stranger at night. (Wait until the timetables come out.)

Quote from: Buzz Killington on August 04, 2014, 09:26:23 pm
705 & 749 are missing too, although that's understandable given they have no 'regular route' equivalent.
Also the Woden Xpressos: 791 & 792, plus a new South Tuggeranong - City Xpresso: route 775

vnguyen

If the proposed route 6 being replaced by route 1 does that mean the are going to skip route 6? Or that the route doesn't serve any schools.

I also noticed quite a bit of Forrest doesn't have a reasonable bus service.

Barry Drive

Quote from: vnguyen on August 06, 2014, 01:02:26 pm
I also noticed quite a bit of Forrest doesn't have a reasonable bus service.
So 2 routes each operating every 30 minutes along National Circuit is not "a reasonable bus service"? Lots of (outer) suburbs of Canberra would quite like that level of service. Forrest will actually get a better service under Network 14. Not that I expect there will be much demand for it though.

Quote from: vnguyen on August 05, 2014, 06:29:09 pm
Is it me or does the new route 4 looks weird. Why can't they used the proposed route where it looks neater and not having it do a loop around Red Hill.
Route 4 may look weird, but it is a very elegant solution. It will enable Red Hill shops / Golden Grove to have a 30 minute frequency (instead of the current 60) while getting rid of the under-utilised Geoscience Australia diversion and the Monaro Cres / Arthur Circle / Murray Cres running which hardly ever attracted passengers.

I think the route may have worked better if it actually crossed-over itself rather than having to do a loop around Red Hill. Although that would have resulted in the stops swapping sides (if you know what I mean).

Barry Drive

GTFS has just been released. Quite a few surprises in weekend network.

904, 905, 906, 907 re-routed - 904 runs through West Macgregor; 905 skips Page, Scullin; 906 run through John Cleland and Verbruggen (no service to Ratcliffe / Krefft); 907 services Page & Scullin.

930 & 931 replaced by 909 & 910 (same as 9 and 10)

921, 922, 923, 924, 925, 926, 927 & 983 same as weekday counterparts

912 & 915 renumbered as 918 and 919 and same as weekday version (as far as I can tell).

942 renumbered as 940

New 950 does Gung - City direct

951, 952, 954, 955, 956, 959 same as weekday counterparts; 958 current 952 from Gung - City.

971 replaces 912/915: runs Erindale to Tuggeranong along 71 route (connects with 900 at Erindale)

980 modified to match changes to 7 & 80 routes

981 matches weekday 81 route changes.


More info later.

Barry Drive

August 14, 2014, 02:16:30 pm #129 Last Edit: August 14, 2014, 02:42:32 pm by ACTbusspotter
Need to recheck: 903 probably services Ratcliffe / Krefft since 905 will travel along Southern Cross.

So 902 = 12 and 906 = 15. That won't be confusing.

Also: 935 changed to match 4 through Kingston / Griffith /Red Hill - still runs along King Edward Tce and turns around at Narrabundah; no longer operates Tallara Parkway / Warramoo.

King of Buses

Quote from: ACTbusspotter on August 14, 2014, 01:57:05 pm

912 & 915 renumbered as 918 and 919 and same as weekday version (as far as I can tell).

More info later.


I presume you mean 913/914 are now 918/919?

Also, what about the 939 and 988 (or whatever they may now be)?

At least most routes are now matching weekdays... :D

Barry Drive

August 14, 2014, 08:33:51 pm #131 Last Edit: August 14, 2014, 08:47:25 pm by ACTbusspotter
Yes: 913/914 now 918/919. 939 & 988 unchanged (although departure platform may vary - to be confirmed).

Correction: 954 not identical to 54 - travels Baldwin Dr rather than William Webb. With 952 servicing WWebb, not WSlim.

Bus 400

August 14, 2014, 09:06:36 pm #132 Last Edit: August 14, 2014, 09:13:47 pm by Bus 400
Other changes include the 44 no longer servicing Nettlefold Street or Scullin & 775 from Lanyon to City via Monaro Highway.

The 918 & 919 are no longer loop services, I don't see a lot of potential in the 910 or 926.

Also the night owls will be upset, but I'll leave that one for Monday.

Barry Drive

910 should at least get War Memorial traffic. It will be more reliable than 930/931 as it will be a direct service every (?) hour. Have to check route to see if it bypasses Campbell Park. Also assume it won't run on Sat evening.

Skitube

775 Layon to City via Monaro Highway? isn't that just the present 788?

Skitube

Quote from: ACTbusspotter on August 14, 2014, 02:16:30 pm
Need to recheck: 903 probably services Ratcliffe / Krefft since 905 will travel along Southern Cross.

So 902 = 12 and 906 = 15. That won't be confusing.

Also: 935 changed to match 4 through Kingston / Griffith /Red Hill - still runs along King Edward Tce and turns around at Narrabundah; no longer operates Tallara Parkway / Warramoo.


will 902 use aikman or coulter to come into belconnen?

Barry Drive

August 15, 2014, 01:50:05 am #136 Last Edit: August 15, 2014, 02:23:40 pm by ACTbusspotter
Quote from: Skitube on August 15, 2014, 12:10:28 am
775 Layon to City via Monaro Highway? isn't that just the present 788?
No. For several reasons: 788 continues through Conder, Banks and Gordon (terminates at Gordon). 775 will be direct to/from Lanyon Market Place via Johnson Dr, stopping only along Tharwa Dr and Calwell Park & Ride (Johnson Dr). Then Monaro Hwy, Canberra Av, Wentworth Av etc.

Quote from: Skitube on August 15, 2014, 12:21:11 am
will 902 use aikman or coulter to come into belconnen?
902 will = 12. So it will use Aikman Drive. Departs Cohen St Pl 2 & BCBS Pl 3.

To follow up previous entries: 903 will service Ratcliffle / Krefft before continuing to Latham, Holt, Macgregor (Florey Dr), Charnwood and Fraser. 910 will bypass Campbell Park and ADFA - travels direct to Majura Park along Limestone / Fairbairn.

Some non-aligned weekend services: 940 will still service Benjamin Way (despite 44 no longer stopping there during weekdays) with 980 servicing Hennessy St (but not Crisp Cct). 44 will short-cut Higgins by exiting onto Drake Brockman Dr using Cussen St, but 904 will still use Macnaughton St. And to keep the confusion going, 904 will not travel along Beaurepaire Cres - but 905 will.

There will be some City platform changes. 909, 910 and 935 will depart from 9 (932, 980 and 981 will continue to do so); 934 south will move back to platform 7; 940 will depart from Platform 5 (but 936 stays on 4).

For weekdays, Platform 2 routes (2 & 3) will move to Platform 7, joining the south-bound 4 & 5 routes and north-bound 7; 9, 10 & 11 will depart from Platform 9. Platform 4 will be used for the routes coming from Woden: 1, 2 & 3; with Platform 5 for 4 & 5 to City West, 7 to Museum as well as 8 to Dickson and 40 to Belconnen.

DISCLAIMER: All information is based on GTFS file which may not be 100% reliable. (There appear to be stops missing - or at least I hope they're missing.)

vnguyen

Quote from: ACTbusspotter on August 14, 2014, 02:16:30 pm
Need to recheck: 903 probably services Ratcliffe / Krefft since 905 will travel along Southern Cross.

So 902 = 12 and 906 = 15. That won't be confusing.

Also: 935 changed to match 4 through Kingston / Griffith /Red Hill - still runs along King Edward Tce and turns around at Narrabundah; no longer operates Tallara Parkway / Warramoo.


The 935 still doing a loop around Narrabundah? I understand that the 938 still goes to Woden, but the 935 doesn't? By the way I hope the 938 & 9&5 are evenly timed apart (30 mins apart) to Manuka/Kingston.

Barry Drive

Quote from: vnguyen on August 15, 2014, 01:52:59 am
The 935 still doing a loop around Narrabundah? I understand that the 938 still goes to Woden, but the 935 doesn't? By the way I hope the 938 & 9&5 are evenly timed apart (30 mins apart) to Manuka/Kingston.
Yes 935 will still be a loop. City - Parkes - Barton - Kingston - Griffith - Red Hill - Narrabundah and return.

As for timings - departure times from City are virtually unchanged: 938 at xx:47 and 935 at xx:56.

Coming back to City, bit more evenly spaced. At the Manuka (Captain Cook Cres) stop, 938 arrives xx:15 and 935 at xx:40 (Sat) or xx:37 (Sun).

Skitube

Quote from: ACTbusspotter on August 15, 2014, 01:50:05 am
For weekdays, Platform 2 routes (2 & 3) will move to Platform 7, joining the south-bound 4 & 5 routes and north-bound 7; 9, 10 & 11 will depart from Platform 9.


Northbound 7 depart from platform 9? how does 7 get from alinga street to platform 9, around the block to Rudd Street?

Barry Drive

Do I need to set the semi-colon as bold?

vnguyen

I think he meant that northbound 7 will depart platform 7 and anything after the semi-colon will depart platform 9.

vnguyen

August 15, 2014, 01:49:50 pm #142 Last Edit: August 15, 2014, 01:55:06 pm by vnguyen
Also what about the 934? And what will platform 2 be used for since the 2, 3 and 934 are moving to 7?

Barry Drive

934 north unmoved (Pl 4). Platform 2 will go back to being used as overflow for Platform 1 / drop off. Not sure about new network, but Pl 1 can get crowded during afternoon peak.

Barry Drive

Quote from: ajw373 on August 05, 2014, 12:34:30 am
The 343 on the otherhand will turn left into Moyes through Kippax and out at Starke Charnwood bound and the reverse Belconnen bound.
The map does show this, but the GTFS shows the Dunlop-bound 343/43 as Southern Cross, L Starke, L Luke, loop around Kippax then back onto Starke, L Southern Cross.

Towards Belconnen will travel via Flack and Moyes, turning right onto Southern Cross at Moyes St.

If correct, this means the unused stop on Moyes Cres will remain unused.

Barry Drive

Missed this one: route 1 south-bound also on Platform 7, City.

Route 900 will continue through Erindale unchanged. Others will change though: 961 will turn right onto McBryde, then Laurens St, and Taverner and through Oxley; 964 will use McBryde and Amsinck. 961 and 964 will now travel directly along Athllon Dr.

Platform changes will occur at Belconnen Community Bus Station as well. Platform 6 will cease to be used - 16 and 17 will move to Pl 5 (joining 44) and 43/343 will move to 4. 12 will now be on 3 since it starts from Cohen St. Weekends, 904 will move to 5 and 907 to 4.


vnguyen

Any platform changes for Woden or Tuggeranong?

Buzz Killington

The map (And timetable) for the 705 and 749 has been added to the Network 14 Routes page: http://files.transport.act.gov.au/net14_regular_services/network14_705-749.pdf

Skitube

Quote from: ACTbusspotter on August 14, 2014, 01:57:05 pm

971 replaces 912/915: runs Erindale to Tuggeranong along 71 route (connects with 900 at Erindale)



No wonder i felt something weird about "971" all week, finally realised
1. isn't 971 a nightride number? what would happen to the nightride 971?
2. i wonder what would happen to Outtrim Ave on weekends, but we'll see tomorrow when everything's released

Buzz Killington