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belcodriver

Quote from: smitho on April 14, 2012, 02:11:59 am
Understand that the driver shift pick scheduled for next month (to launch Network 12) will only be a short term affair..... and that another shift spill and new pick will take place after about 3 months into the new network. Not sure of reason why.


Because according to the union the new shifts don't meet the agreed upon 10 minute break between the 2nd and 3rd hour. So they said the shifts would be accepted but only if they were redone within 3 months.

smitho

Ah, that explains wht TWU rep visited Tuggy muster room the other morning.

Bus 400

The bus stop blades have been installed in Casey, Bonner & 1 of the new set of stops in Forde (the others were installed for the school services. The only bus stop infrastructure in Crace is one painted bay on Abena Avenue.

Of note is that there are no stops installed on Francis Forde Boulevard. That includes the new section being serviced. Also whoever installed the blades in Bonner didn't realize that a one way loop services Bonner.

belcodriver

Quote from: smitho on April 15, 2012, 09:29:35 am
Ah, that explains wht TWU rep visited Tuggy muster room the other morning.


The reason they provisionally accepted them is because of the larger than required number of drivers who will be promoted to full time. It will only be 33% part time once the new network starts.

smitho

Quote from: belcodriver on April 15, 2012, 10:45:00 pm
The reason they provisionally accepted them is because of the larger than required number of drivers who will be promoted to full time. It will only be 33% part time once the new network starts.


Yes, similar number (35% PT) reported around Tuggy Depot.

743

April 17, 2012, 10:41:27 pm #55 Last Edit: April 17, 2012, 10:42:13 pm by 743
Quote from: Bus 400 on April 15, 2012, 04:06:09 pm
Also whoever installed the blades in Bonner didn't realize that a one way loop services Bonner.


That is probably a contingency for future services. Much easier to put the extra stops in now, before the suburb is even finished, rather than wait for residents to get used to extra parking and then complain when the stops need to go in. Future buses from Jacka might go west to east through Bonner and Forde, although there could be school services from Amaroo doing a similar thing sooner.

Bus 400

I suppose it would be the same case for the 81/981's CSIRO stop on Clunies Ross Street. With a stop on both sides of the road & both were moved closer to Black Mountain for the Clunies Ross Street/Barry Drive Intersection Improvements.

Barry Drive

April 17, 2012, 10:53:38 pm #57 Last Edit: April 26, 2014, 09:53:31 pm by ACTbusspotter
Don't forget: School Services might use those stops. The one on Clunies Ross St is used by a School Run. Maybe some School Services will go through Bonner after 28 May.

New Bus Stops have been installed in Fyshwick (Newcastle St, Barrier St), but the new stop on Gladstone St (near Cessnock St) has not had anything installed even though it shows up on the BDC.

smitho

I've uised the Clunies Ross southbound stop regularly for the Civic-North Canberra-Orana School run....and the northbound stop for Discovery Centre (Tourist run and school charters).

Barry Drive

Quote from: smitho on April 14, 2012, 02:11:59 am
... and that another shift spill and new pick will take place after about 3 months into the new network. Not sure of reason why.
Since School Holiday shifts are not being picked in this round, next shift pick might take place in another month! (Forgot to ask what was happening with that.)

Barry Drive

Irisbus Rider in particular may be interested to learn that the evening connections with Route 50 at Gungahlin have been vastly improved in Network 2012.

Route 50 arrives at GMP from City:  21 & 51

Departures from Kate Crace - Route 51: 24; Route 52: 54; Route 55: 53; Route 59: 33


Connections to City are a bit longer though.

Arrivals at Kate Crace - Route 51: 19; Route 52: 49; Route 55: 28; Route 59: 48

Route 50 departures from GMP: 00 & 30

Urbos Rider

Thanks for the info there, that's great news. Also, all of the turnarounds at Gungahlin are also 5 mins. Great to see they are acknowledging the 50's purpose.

Bus 400

Bus Stop Update
I checked out the reinstation of the bus service in Macquarie & no additional bus stops have been installed. This means, so far, the only bus stop to be services by the 73/74 is a School Service Only stop on Fulton Street.

Bus 400

I know someone may be upset over this, but do Xpresso services still terminate at Electricity House (aka 221 London Circuit)? As while doing a quick flick through the 720 & 729 timetable they still feature the 'e' next to City (or blank in the case of the 729), but no longer feature an explanation for what the 'e' means.

For those who aren't aware, this was what was mentioned in the Network 2009 timetables (I'm unsure about older versions (e Bus continues to ActewAGL House).

smitho

Quote from: Bus 400 on May 06, 2012, 08:12:55 pm
I know someone may be upset over this, but do Xpresso services still terminate at Electricity House (aka 221 London Circuit)? As while doing a quick flick through the 720 & 729 timetable they still feature the 'e' next to City (or blank in the case of the 729), but no longer feature an explanation for what the 'e' means.

For those who aren't aware, this was what was mentioned in the Network 2009 timetables (I'm unsure about older versions (e Bus continues to ActewAGL House).


AFAIK, they are supposed to terminate there, although this stop is now often referred to as 'The Waldorf' stop, referring to the accommodation complex in the former Wales Centre building abutting The Boulevarde.

Bus 400

Selected school services will also change on 28 May 2012, details can be found at https://www.action.act.gov.au/recent_school_bus_changes.html

manhinli

Network '12 transit feed is up... but ACTION didn't consider the fact that there may be a couple of days of no data until May 28 because they didn't leave in the Network '10 data until the changeover.

I'm slowly trawling through the new data for times for my common routes (yes I know the timetables will be published on Monday, but I can't wait!)

Route 200's 10 minute peak frequency from Gungahlin is definitely welcomed by all, but I noticed that Route 200 also has part runs starting at Stop #6170 (Flemington/Wizard Southbound) at 7:57am and 8:08am. Is this really happening? I'd finally be able to hop onto a 200 and have a seat to sit on! :-P


Bus 400

May 11, 2012, 08:26:28 pm #67 Last Edit: May 11, 2012, 08:30:40 pm by Bus 400
They would be making that data available so that smart phone applications can make the relevant changes & have app updates available on the 28 May.

Also the old data is now irrelevant as no one would bother to make a new app with data that expires in 2 weeks.

manhinli

Quote from: Bus 400 on May 11, 2012, 08:26:28 pm
Also the old data is now irrelevant as no one would bother to make a new app with data that expires in 2 weeks.

It's not just apps, but Google Transit uses the data too - so it won't work for people using it (e.g. from mobile or ACTION's website). This happened a couple weeks back when ACTION forgot that calendar data ended prematurely, so Transit directions didn't work for a week until Google fetched the new copy.

I realise that it would increase the size of the feed during the transition, but I would appreciate it if they did it for the user experience! Just think of the poor casual commuters!

But seriously, I favour that over missing transit data any day.

Bus 400

May 11, 2012, 11:30:04 pm #69 Last Edit: May 11, 2012, 11:39:28 pm by Bus 400
May I suggest you try a journey in Google Maps from Tuggeranong to Mabo Boulevard Bonner on the 28/05/12 10:34.

If that doesn't work change the date to the 25/05/12.

For me no trip exists for the 28/05/12.

smitho

Full page ACTION advert in this week's 'CHRONICLE' outlining Network 12..........

Barry Drive

Yes, there will be some AM route 200s commencing at Wizard/Flemington and terminating at City.

Bus 400

Quote from: smitho on May 12, 2012, 12:33:43 am
Full page ACTION advert in this week's 'CHRONICLE' outlining Network 12..........


A pamphlet currently available on selected buses is also going around with the exact same information.

Both fail to mention the 958 into Crace & the 952 now services the City (via just about 80% of the Gungahlin suburbs)

manhinli

Quote from: Bus 400 on May 11, 2012, 11:30:04 pm
For me no trip exists for the 28/05/12.

That's because you can't have data on something you don't know!

As soon as Google fetches the new feed next week, then all you can find are directions for May 28 and beyond, which basically shuts off Transit to most people in the meantime, because no one searches for bus times 2 weeks ahead.

Barry Drive

May 12, 2012, 12:40:53 pm #74 Last Edit: May 12, 2012, 01:14:15 pm by ACTbusspotter
Quote from: manhinli on May 12, 2012, 11:45:41 am
As soon as Google fetches the new feed next week, then all you can find are directions for May 28 and beyond, which basically shuts off Transit to most people in the meantime, because no one searches for bus times 2 weeks ahead.

Possibly a stupid question, but why does Google need to fetch a new feed next week? The version they have is valid until 27 May - as proven by Bus400's experiments.

To get a better idea of how it works, I downloaded a copy of the feed. Having a look at the Bus Stops file, I notice the new bus stops are defined as follows (stop number,,stop name,,GPS reference):

6302,,"Mulligans Flat Rd after Mabo Bvd",, -35.165035, 149.141418,,,0
6304,,"Overall Av after Shedden St",, -35.171051, 149.094696,,,0
6305,,"Overall Av after Horse Park Dr",, -35.171299, 149.095734,,,0
6306,,"Overall Av after Sudradjat St",, -35.172424, 149.091782,,,0
6307,,"Overall Av after John Crawford Cr",, -35.172562, 149.091873,,,0
6308,,"Overall Av after Powley St",, -35.175945, 149.090683,,,0
6309,,"Overall Av  After Tipett St",, -35.174358, 149.091095,,,0
6311,,"David Walsh after Horse Park Dr",, -35.176418, 149.146103,,,0
6313,,"Zakharov Av after Alice Berry St",, -35.171978, 149.148422,,,0
6315,,"Francis Forde after Tom Nicholas Cr",, -35.171162, 149.143082,,,0
6317,,"Amy Ackman St after Paquita St",, -35.163113, 149.149094,,,0
6319,,"Hanbbury St before Mulligans Flat Rd",, -35.159492, 149.150253,,,0
6321,,"Henry Willaims after Mabo Bvd",, -35.157562, 149.146652,,,0
6323,,"Essie Coffey St after Henry Williams",, -35.153828, 149.142578,,,0
6325,,"Essie Coffey St before Mumshirl St",, -35.154125, 149.138626,,,0
6327,,"Roden Cutler Dr after Essie Coffey St",, -35.155167, 149.134903,,,0
6329,,"Mobourne St after Roden Cutler Dr",, -35.160358, 149.136246,,,0
6331,,"Mabo Bvd Bonner Shops",, -35.162155, 149.139511,,,0
6332,,"Langtree Cr after Durong St",, -35.199821, 149.111023,,,0
6333,,"Langtree Cr after Nudurr Dr",, -35.199997, 149.111130,,,0
6334,,"Abena Av after Chance St",, -35.200642, 149.104126,,,0
6335,,"Abena Av after Taplow St",, -35.200768, 149.104095,,,0

Handbury Way is spelled incorrectly; Francis Forde, Zakharov and David Walsh appear to have bus stops only on one side of the road despite route 55/955 operating in both directions. I'm sure there's many more mistakes!)

Bus 400

May 12, 2012, 12:55:33 pm #75 Last Edit: May 12, 2012, 01:16:05 pm by Bus 400
I ended up downloading the latest Transit Feed zip file this morning, within those files is an end date of 6-8 July (depending on whether its a Friday/Saturday/Sunday). Which is when the School Holidays start, this data expires then as the current feed doesn't mention the 81, which of course doesn't run during school term.

Barry Drive

Quote from: ACTbusspotter on March 22, 2012, 02:40:01 pm
The deletion of route 58 through Franklin suggests that route 57 will now operate for extended hours (beyond 6pm). Maybe. If not, Franklin residents will have been well and truly boned by this change.

Having downloaded and analysed the new timetable from the Transit Feed, the conclusion: Frankin residents have been BONED! The last 57 northbound departs City at 18:55; the last southbound leaves GMP at 18:37. Yet new route 55 continues hourly until 22:53. Why?

manhinli

May 12, 2012, 03:37:57 pm #77 Last Edit: May 12, 2012, 03:38:35 pm by manhinli
Quote from: ACTbusspotter on May 12, 2012, 12:40:53 pm
Possibly a stupid question, but why does Google need to fetch a new feed next week? The version they have is valid until 27 May - as proven by Bus400's experiments.


That's how it works:
Quote
Google accepts new feeds every day.

Feeds provided by Friday will be refreshed on Google Maps by the following Friday.

When you provide a new feed, it must have service as of the posting date.

For example, if your posting date is February 6, 2009, your feed should include service from February 6 (or earlier) to February 19, and new service data from February 20. This is because we completely replace the previous data with the new data set.

If your feed only includes service from February 20, when we completely replace your previous data on Friday 2/13, you won't have service on Google Maps for February 13 to February 19.

Bus 400

There is also this on that page:
Quote
You should also provide an update as soon as you know the schedule change, but no later than 2 weeks before the new schedule takes effect.

Barry Drive

So it looks like they went 1 week too early. If I understand correctly, they will have data for this week but then nothing next week?

Looks like ACTION didn't read the instructions (like me).

manhinli

If anyone wants to view the transit feed without needing to trawl through the CSV, use ScheduleViewer. Runs a server instance which you can view in your web browser.

http://code.google.com/p/googletransitdatafeed/wiki/ScheduleViewer

Barry Drive

Some Gungahlin weekend timings:

Route 951 departs City :40 arrives GMP :02
Route 952 departs City :10 arrives GMP :44
Route 956 departs City :38 arrives GMP :16 (ish)

Route 958 depart Belco :07 arrives GMP :39

Route 955 departs GMP :21 returns GMP :51
Route 956 departs GMP to City :57
Route 958 departs GMP to Belco :50  [so no connection with arriving Route 956]


Bus 400

May 12, 2012, 04:41:28 pm #82 Last Edit: May 12, 2012, 04:52:20 pm by Bus 400
Another forgotten change is that the 939 will do the same loop as the 39 around Watson.


Also now the 55/955 will service the bus stop on Mulligan's Flat Road, it will continue down Mabo Boulevard & turn left onto Mulligan's Flat Road & right onto Jessie Street.

Buzz Killington

Quote from: ACTbusspotter on May 12, 2012, 12:40:53 pm
Handbury Way is spelled incorrectly


So was Henry Williams St

Barry Drive

More details from the Transit Feed - this time Kippax Blue Rapid (318 & 319):

Services departing from Kippax will travel the sensible way: Hardwick, Flack, Moyes and onto Southern Cross Dr. First departure is at exactly 0700 and last departure at 1900. Between about 0800 and 1630, departures are exactly 15 minutes apart.

Going the other way, services into Kippax enter from Starke St and Luke St. First arrival at Kippax is 0704; last arrival is 1938. Services run as a 10/20 minute frequency rather than an even 15 minute headway.

belcodriver

Quote from: ACTbusspotter on May 12, 2012, 04:17:24 pm
Some Gungahlin weekend timings:

Route 951 departs City :40 arrives GMP :02
Route 952 departs City :10 arrives GMP :44
Route 956 departs City :38 arrives GMP :16 (ish)



Awesome, so with the change to the 958 the 5 buses that head up Northbourne depart from the City at:

:09 - 932
:10 - 952
:28 - 980
:38 - 956
:40 - 951

Assuming there is no change to the timing of the 932 and 980.


Barry Drive

May 14, 2012, 04:52:22 pm #86 Last Edit: May 14, 2012, 04:54:17 pm by ACTbusspotter
Quote from: ACTbusspotter on May 12, 2012, 01:19:32 am
Yes, there will be some AM route 200s commencing at Wizard/Flemington and terminating at City.
There are two services as listed on the ACTION HTML timetable page, but not appearing on the PDF timetable. Going by the "S" code (despite no legend on page), these will operate only during School Term. They most likely will be low floor buses, even though there is no code shown denoting that.

I still don't get why the last 200 from GMP at 1900 is not a route 50, since it terminates in City.

manhinli

Errors I've picked up at the moment:

  • [10] listed as either:

    • not going past Catalina Dr (Costco) in transit feed

    • going past it on maps


  • Weekday full map:

    • [3] indicated on the same route path as [2] near Royal Australian Mint

    • [7] around National Museum of Australia isn't displayed as such and also does not turn around as indicated




Minor ones:

  • Half runs 7:57am, 8:08am from Flemington/Wizard to City not listed on the 200 published timetable (it is present on web page, though marked with unclear 'S')

  • A couple of non-existent stop bubbles (e.g. Flemington/Lysaght) on maps




I like the new QR codes on the bottom of the front pages of the published timetables, leading to the ACTION website with minimal effort. Maybe they should have QR codes for each timetable at the MyWay centres - scan and have a page float up... reduces need for paper.

manhinli

Quote from: ACTbusspotter on May 14, 2012, 04:52:22 pm
There are two services as listed on the ACTION HTML timetable page, but not appearing on the PDF timetable. Going by the "S" code (despite no legend on page), these will operate only during School Term. They most likely will be low floor buses, even though there is no code shown denoting that.

I still don't get why the last 200 from GMP at 1900 is not a route 50, since it terminates in City.

Darn - beat me to it.

My guess is that it just rounds off the "7am-7pm" thing. Not that many people actually take the 50 at 7pm from GMP anyway.

Snorzac

The 313 has a reduced peak hour frequency from every 20min to every 30min

Buzz Killington

There were a heap of errors when the Network 12 section went live this morning - 955 was missing, none of the Xpresso PDFs worked, the file sizes for the PDF files weren't listed, the network maps were the 2010 versions, the links for 55 and 770 didn't work (although if you looked at the link format and typed it in manually it did, and the page title had Network 10...

Bus 400

I wonder wether the Transit Feed is incorrect or the 939 timetable us?

Barry Drive

May 14, 2012, 06:55:48 pm #92 Last Edit: May 14, 2012, 06:57:25 pm by ACTbusspotter
Bus400, you will find that the 939 PDF has been updated and its route direction now matches the Transit Feed route.

Manhinli, I've also noticed the Route 10 discrepancy (and reported it on twitter). At this stage my enquiries have not resulted in an answer about which is the correct route.

Another newly-found discrepancy is the 952: Transit Feed shows route travelling along Cooyong / Northbourne but the timetable map shows Mort / Girrahween / Northbourne (which is the opposite problem that the 958 currently has).

belcodriver, weekend Northbourne Ave routes 932 & 980 have new timings. City departure times will be:

952 - :10
932 - :13
956 - :38
951 - :40
980 - :47

And all weekend routes are marked as being wheelchair accessible.

The Love Guru

Quote from: ACTbusspotter on May 14, 2012, 06:55:48 pm
Bus400, you will find that the 939 PDF has been updated and its route direction now matches the Transit Feed route.

Manhinli, I've also noticed the Route 10 discrepancy (and reported it on twitter). At this stage my enquiries have not resulted in an answer about which is the correct route.

Another newly-found discrepancy is the 952: Transit Feed shows route travelling along Cooyong / Northbourne but the timetable map shows Mort / Girrahween / Northbourne (which is the opposite problem that the 958 currently has).

belcodriver, weekend Northbourne Ave routes 932 & 980 have new timings. City departure times will be:

952 - :10
932 - :13
956 - :38
951 - :40
980 - :47

And all weekend routes are marked as being wheelchair accessible.


Always nice when you can have 5 services an hour and still end up with 2 x 20min+ gaps without a service

Bus 400

May 14, 2012, 09:50:24 pm #94 Last Edit: May 14, 2012, 09:55:06 pm by Bus 400
After downloading timetables my biggest hate is how some timetables have been combined. They appeared to group routes on there destination, an example is the 720/729/732/770 that all start in different areas, but end up in the City. Another example is the 737/757/786 which all end up out at Fairbairn. That is rather then grouping runs based on their suburban sections like the 60 & 62 both service Kambah & the 25/28 & 26/27 with each pair servicing there respective halves of Weston Creek.

Buzz Killington

If anyone finds any serious service deficiencies let us know, will try to get articles up on the site.

Barry Drive

Quote from: manhinli on May 14, 2012, 05:00:29 pm
Half runs 7:57am, 8:08am from Flemington/Wizard to City not listed on the 200 published timetable (it is present on web page, though marked with unclear 'S')

I wonder if the absence from the printed timetable is due to these runs being non-permanent? Perhaps ACTION are trialling them - and if they don't attract enough patronage, or don't help with reducing crowding on full-length 200s, then they might be withdrawn or else re-scheduled to a different time.

CNG

their is also a 312 and a 315 that are not easy access allocated that is due to it being on shift stamped pr3

Snorzac

Just like to point out a minor error in the 705 timetable, see if you can find it

Urbos Rider

A couple of deficiencies I have picked up.
318/18 - Departurers at Lanyon N/Bound:
5:45pm
5:51pm
7:11pm

Blue Rapid Departures from Cohen St BS S/Bound:
5:05pm
5:09pm
5:20pm
5:22pm
5:24pm
5:26pm
5:33pm
Not to mention, I also found many 9 min gaps between services on the Blue Rapid during the off-peak. The frequencies are an utter mess.

3 Arrivals in City N/Bound:
7:44am
8:25am
41 min gap in the AM Peak

3 Arrivals in the City S/Bound
8:37am
9:23am
46 min gap in the AM Peak

In adition, I've been going through routes individually to assess if the total number of trips has decreased or increased, and I've got some interesting findings (/ indicates an unchanged number on the direction):
2: -1 Dick-Wod
      / Wod-Dick
3: +1 Belc-Wod
       / Wod-Belc
4: +2 Wod-City
       / City-Wod
5: +2 Wod-City
     +2 City-Wod
6: +2 Dick-Wod
      / Wod-Dick
7: +3 City-Belc
    +3 Belc-City
8: +2 Dick-City
     -1 City-Dick
9: /
10: -2 Belc-FP
      / FP-Belc
11: /
12: /
13: /
14: /
15: /
16: -1 Belc-Kip
       / Kip-Belc
17: /
18: +1 Lan-Kip
      / Kip-Lan
19: /

I was surprised by the number of services.