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The Molonglo Thread
« on: January 02, 2008, 06:10:16 PM »
Heard this one on the radio this afternoon, the three first suburbs for Molonglo (in between Belco and Weston) have been named, after famous aussies. And they are....


Wright, Sulman and Coombs
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Re: 3 Molonglo Suburbs Named
« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2008, 06:25:38 PM »
"Sulman", from what I gather.

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Re: 3 Molonglo Suburbs Named
« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2008, 07:21:11 PM »
i havent found anything online, so im just going from the newsreader's pronunciation

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Re: 3 Molonglo Suburbs Named
« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2008, 07:29:54 PM »
you were quite right, RR. From wikipedia:

Sir John Sulman (August 29, 1849 - August 18, 1934) was an Australian architect. Born in Greenwich, England, he emigrated to Sydney, Australia in 1885. From 1921 to 1924 he was chairman of the Federal Capital Advisory Committee and influenced the development of Canberra.

Judith Arundell Wright (31 May 1915?26 June 2000) was an Australian poet, environmentalist and campaigner for Aboriginal land rights.[1]

Herbert Cole Coombs (24 February 1906 ? 29 October 1997), referred to in his professional life as Dr. H. C. Coombs but commonly known as "Nugget" Coombs, Australian economist and public servant

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Re: 3 Molonglo Suburbs Named
« Reply #4 on: January 02, 2008, 08:18:27 PM »
Yeah, we got this news through at about 5:30am, I'm suprised public servants were up that early.

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Re: 3 Molonglo Suburbs Named
« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2008, 08:23:48 PM »
Now we have to keep the darts to get a Wright dennis dart in Wright

But will it be called Coombs or just Coomb?

Are there any other suburbs with a and S on the end like that?

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Re: 3 Molonglo Suburbs Named
« Reply #6 on: January 02, 2008, 08:42:13 PM »
Quote from: ABC News
Development in the Molonglo Valley in Canberra's west has moved a step closer with the naming of the first three suburbs in the area.

ACT Planning Minister Andrew Barr says the suburbs have been named after poet Judith Wright; architect and town planner Sir John Sulman; and public servant Dr Nugget Coombs.

He says the development - between Belconnen and Weston Creek - is expected to start by the second half of the year.

"The initial development would start in the north-western area," he said.

"So the names that the place name committee have recommended would be for those first suburbs at the Weston Creek end."

About 33,000 homes are expected to be built in Molonglo, housing up to 73,000 people.

"The development is being planned to set a new standard in suburb design and development," Mr Barr said.

"It will achieve greater energy efficiency, higher water efficiency and quality, and better links to open spaces and transport."

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Re: 3 Molonglo Suburbs Named
« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2008, 08:44:28 PM »
wow, the government is stepping up development. i didnt expect molonglo to begin until after gungahlin was nearly done.

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Re: 3 Molonglo Suburbs Named
« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2008, 11:23:03 PM »
Especially since Gungahlin is nowhere near complete. Gungahlin still has Bonner,Casey,Crace,Franklin,Jacka,Kenny,Kinlyside,Lawson,Moncreiff,Taylor & Throsby. But I do have another name they can give a suburb, "Mulanggari." It was meant to be where Harrison is & Harrison was meant to be where north Franklin will go & Gungahlin Town Centre was meant to be where the Yerrabi ponds are now. So since they kicked out that suburb name, they do the right thing & call a Molonglo suburb "Mulanggari."
I wonder what the number the bus routes will get? Maybe the '30 series'? Since this series has been made available by Network '08.

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Re: 3 Molonglo Suburbs Named
« Reply #9 on: January 03, 2008, 05:58:11 AM »
In reply to Busnerd;
 - "Isaacs".

Thats one, there's many more.

I think it's probably a good idea to start development a.s.a.p, as it may be some welcome relief to the high property prices we are all facing.

Oh, and Bus 400, it has been made clear that the 59 will service both Bonner and Forde.

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Re: 3 Molonglo Suburbs Named
« Reply #10 on: January 03, 2008, 03:17:22 PM »
I know about 59, I'm talking about Molonglo.

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Re: 3 Molonglo Suburbs Named
« Reply #11 on: January 03, 2008, 05:37:45 PM »
yeah, they should really use Mullanggari somewhere else. It's a nice name, and IIRC the theme for the suburb was meant to be Notable Aboriginal Women.

Also, Lawson is not in Gungahlin.

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« Reply #12 on: January 03, 2008, 06:52:13 PM »
I doubt they will re-use Mullanggari, which i never got a photo of it that day 343 pulled into woden with simply 'Mullanggari' on the desto, which I think is no longer written in the program, as the grasslands behind franklin are named 'Mullanggari..whatever you call those areas' you can see the parks and wildlife style sign on Gungahlin Drive. So no point putting it in an area other than Gungahlin.

I am also shocked they are starting development this year. So that means this year we will be seeing the completion of Harrison. The completion of Franklin stage 1 (which i believe is just about complete, upon the extension of WELL STATION RD) Franklin stage 2 which i being started now. A large slice of Casey completed, and total new developments Coombs, Wright and Sulman. Im glad the goverment has finally started really going ahead with this, it will help to lower property prices I think. The one thing i cant understand myself is how is there so much demand for land? there cant be that many people in canberra..do ppl want to move here? is our population increasing at a fast enough rate to require more housing?

Good thing about this is, once its done, 73,000 more residents means canberras population should be around 403,000 meaning just 97,000 more people off allowing light rail to be sustainable. I just hope they keep public transport in mind in these new developments, perhaps leaving a corridor free for future bus lanes/interchange even or light rail lines.

Oh well, this is all good news for us!

Not to mention the ongoing construction at Brindabellas bonython, the ponds at ginninderra, the new part of macgregor! Its going to be a big year here! many new roads to drive around once they open up! So i think this will be a major discussion point for 08.

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Re: 3 Molonglo Suburbs Named
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« Reply #14 on: January 03, 2008, 06:57:16 PM »
Geez! Twelve suburbs!

Being a suburb name enthusiast myself I am very much looking foward to hearing the other 9 suburbs that will be in our vocabs. for the next 10 years or so. Lets hope all these suburbs are bonython/franklin sized so that they are completed quickly allowing for another suburb to be done.

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« Reply #15 on: January 11, 2008, 10:54:56 PM »
Well going by this article dated 04/11/03, work is starting late on Molonglo:
Quote from: The Canberra Times
Stromlo will go within three years
By Scott Hannaford and Peter Brewer
Development on open land to the west of Canberra will start within three years, beginning a dramatic reshaping of the urban landscape and preparing for a possible population of half a million by 2032.
The ACT Government issued its vision for the expansion of Canberra yesterday, the draft Canberra Spatial Plan, which will see fundamental changes to the shape and population density of the national capital.
Under the plan, foreshadowed by The Canberra Times yesterday, the fire-ravaged pine forests at Stromlo will make way for up to 12,500 houses, with suburbs stretching from the western edge of Lake Burley Griffin to well beyond the Molonglo River. The land would most likely be developed by the Government.
Planning Minister Simon Corbell said housing would start in the Molonglo Valley by 2006.
The Kowen forest to the east of the city has also been reserved for 8000 homes once Stromlo is completed.
In the longer term, Kowen is also seen as having the potential for 26,000 dwellings, but Mr Corbell said the ACT Government would still have land available west of the Murrumbidgee River if it chose to reestablish its pine forests.
Gungahlin would also be extended further north to meet the NSW border with up to 28,000 additional dwellings.
Planners have turned their back on previous development concepts, such as building along transport corridors to the north of Canberra at Gooromon-Jeir in nearby NSW, instead casting a 15km radius out from the city centre, with all development in the next 30 years to be contained within that circle. A smaller 7.5km radius from the city shows the areas that will be substantially in-filled in the next 15 years.
A bushfire abatement zone will surround all new and future housing areas of the ACT and a protection zone will be put around the airport which will prevent housing in areas that may be affected by aircraft noise, including areas of NSW such as the proposed Tralee development.
Land around the airport - regarded by the planners as a vital transport hub - has also been identified for further industrial development in such a way that it can be included in transport plans and that further expansion of the airport is not restricted.
Town centres and in particular Civic will become the focus of urban redevelopment with the goal of creating higher density areas and revitalising the city centre with more business and residential accommodation of up to 41,500 new dwellings in existing areas.
A corridor taking in Fyshwick, Mitchell, Hume and the airport could also be developed as an important employment area.
The draft plan has invoked strong criticism from town planners, the Opposition and cross-bench MLAs, environmental groups, Queanbeyan City Council and the National Capital Authority, which controls much of the land which would be affected. A number of building and industry groups welcomed the draft plan, saying it created a way forward for the city, especially Civic.
Mr Corbell said the future developments would give Canberrans a greater choice of where they wanted to live, would allow people to work and live in the ACT rather than see revenue go to NSW, and would change the focus of transport away from cars towards public transport.
Conservation groups are concerned about some general aspects of the plan, particularly the continued growth of Gungahlin where development will encroach on the habitat of endangered birds like the Brown Treecreeper.
The Conservation Council believes biodiversity in the region is being ignored, as Yellow Box Red Gum grassy woodlands and natural temperate grasslands to the north of the city go under the bulldozers.
Planners believe new urban developments such that in the Molonglo Valley offer the opportunity to investigate alternative forms of public transport, such as light rail or, preferably, an O-Bahn busway. O-Bahn buses, which are guided along a concrete track and can be switched into service on normal roads, have been operating in Adelaide since 1986. An O-Bahn bus system also allows the ACT to phase in clean, green hydrogen-powered public transport.
The public will have until mid-December to comment on the draft plan, with the final plan expected to be issued early next year.

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« Reply #16 on: January 12, 2008, 12:44:03 AM »
Must you quote everything from 5 year old canberra times articles  ::)

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« Reply #17 on: January 12, 2008, 12:54:07 AM »
Yes

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Re: The Molonglo Thread
« Reply #18 on: March 24, 2009, 07:14:50 PM »
One keen-eyed member from the Riot ACT has found an interesting little nugget of information buried in some plans for a temporary cycle path in Weston - the name of the new major arterial road through Molonglo..

John Gorton Drive

Map: http://203.9.249.2/e-registers/pubnote/pdf/SITE-200913997-&_Locality-01.pdf
DA: http://203.9.249.2/e-registers/pubnote/pdf/APP-200913997-01.pdf

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Re: 3 Molonglo Suburbs Named
« Reply #19 on: March 24, 2009, 11:57:09 PM »
Now we have to keep the darts to get a Wright dennis dart in Wright

But will it be called Coombs or just Coomb?

Are there any other suburbs with a and S on the end like that?
Nugget Coombs's name was spelt with an 'S' on the end, so if the suburb is supposed to be named after him, it will have to be "Coombs".
Other examples: Just in the Woden Valley alone, we have HugheS, TorrenS and LyonS.

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Re: The Molonglo Thread
« Reply #20 on: March 27, 2009, 10:26:38 PM »
When are we going to see Peter Leonard Lane? :P

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« Reply #21 on: July 24, 2009, 05:45:37 PM »
We should be glad that nobody complained about the naming of the suburb of Wright. As an electorate in Queensland has also been proposed to be called Wright & some are objecting to it.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/proposed-electorate-name-has-rapist-link/story-e6freuz0-1225754354249

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Re: The Molonglo Thread
« Reply #22 on: February 27, 2011, 05:17:56 PM »
Bit of a bump, but it seems that there is very little mention of Sulman other than the original press release

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Andrew Barr, MLA, 2 January 2008
FIRST THREE SUBURBS OF MOLONGLO NAMED

Minister for Planning, Andrew Barr, today announced prominent Australians Judith Wright, Sir John Sulman and Dr H.C ‘Nugget’ Coombs will be honoured with the first three suburbs of Molonglo to be named after them.

Molonglo is located to the west of central Canberra, between Belconnen and Weston Creek. Up to 73,000 people are expected to live in about 33,000 homes in the area from about 2008-09 onwards.

“Molonglo, along with Gungahlin, is a priority for the Government and will increase Canberra’s land supply and provide more affordable housing,” Mr Barr said.

“The development is being planned to set a new standard in suburb design and development. It will achieve greater energy efficiency, higher water efficiency and quality, and better links to open spaces and transport. Houses will have minimum five-star energy ratings.

“It is a great pleasure to announce Wright, Sulman and Coombs will be the first suburb names in the new development.”

SUBURB OF WRIGHT
Nominated for a Nobel Prize for Literature, Ms Judith Wright wrote on issues such as nature conservation and the rights of indigenous Australians. She fought to save the Great Barrier Reef from mining and oil drilling and to establish the Great Barrier Reef marine park. Ms Wright was a long-time resident of the Canberra region.

SUBURB OF SULMAN
Architect and town planner Sir John Sulman was Chairman of the Federal Capital Advisory Committee. Through this role, he was greatly involved in the early development of Canberra and influenced how it was built.

SUBURB OF COOMBS

Dr H.C ‘Nugget’ Coombs was one of Australia’s most outstanding and influential public servants, serving and advising seven prime ministers over 30 years. He worked to achieve a distinctive social, economic and cultural place for all Australians, particularly Aboriginal Australians.

Mr Barr said planning for Molonglo would continue through to next year with the first land release expected in 2008-2009. Over time, names will be required for more than 12 suburbs in Molonglo.

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Re: The Molonglo Thread
« Reply #23 on: March 07, 2011, 08:38:24 PM »
Part of the new John Gorton Drive is now open (I am unsure how much of it at this present stage). The bit I saw was the new bridge was open & it was open when I went that way to Cooleman Court a few weeks back.

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Re: The Molonglo Thread
« Reply #24 on: May 20, 2011, 10:32:38 PM »
First batch of street names for Wright have been declared. List and map: http://www.legislation.act.gov.au/di/2011-85/current/pdf/2011-85.pdf

Who wants to live on Steve Irwin Avenue?

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Re: The Molonglo Thread
« Reply #25 on: December 27, 2011, 05:56:48 PM »
Got to Steve Irwin Avenue the other day. Turned around went straight back to John Gorton!

Was wondering about John Gorton Drive, As Cotter Road runs from Adelaide Ave, does John Gorton Drive start from Streeton Drive or the new set of lights at Cotter and John Gorton? It would be a bit strange to go from Cotter, to JG and then back to Cotter again. The signage says it continues, but I am not so sure about what they are doing with the weird double up on names (Giant gap between the two Cotter Roads).




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Re: The Molonglo Thread
« Reply #26 on: December 27, 2011, 06:51:35 PM »
I wondered the same thing. The placement of the John Gorton Drive pointing down Cotter Road towards the Parkway was very odd.

Nice to see the 'traditional' suburb signs in place for Wright and Coombs - something that none of the last five or six Gungahlin suburbs have.

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Re: The Molonglo Thread
« Reply #27 on: December 27, 2011, 09:28:32 PM »
Quite possible that the road may adopt both names for that section. Has been known to happen in other cities, though normally both roads continue at each end of the shared name section. I assume John Gorton will terminate at Streeton/Cotter intersection if it even goes down the current Cotter Rd alignment.

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« Reply #28 on: December 27, 2011, 09:47:28 PM »
It does happen in other Cities, but I can't really think of any roads in Canberra which do the same (So is out of the norm for the ACT). Other cities and towns usually have a Highway and then a local road name over the top (But the highway forms a route through the town or city). Will as ACT PLA and see what they are actually doing.

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Re: The Molonglo Thread
« Reply #29 on: December 27, 2011, 10:08:01 PM »
Canberra Avenue / Manuka Circle springs to mind; can't think of any others.

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Re: The Molonglo Thread
« Reply #30 on: December 28, 2011, 09:33:48 PM »
Quite possible that the road may adopt both names for that section. Has been known to happen in other cities, though normally both roads continue at each end of the shared name section. I assume John Gorton will terminate at Streeton/Cotter intersection if it even goes down the current Cotter Rd alignment.

There's also a John Gorton Dr sign on what is/was Cotter Road. It's at the intersection with whatever depot that is about halfway between Streeton Dr and the new Cotter Rd/John Gorton traffic lights.

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Re: The Molonglo Thread
« Reply #31 on: December 28, 2011, 10:15:21 PM »
This should help to answer one question:
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Cotter Road will remain between the Tuggeranong Parkway and the new intersection (Intersection 1) Cotter Road and NSA arterial.
http://www.tams.act.gov.au/move/roads/construction_projects/north_south_arterial

Since the Cotter Dam bound Cotter Road is under control of the National Capital Authority* & while it could be renamed, there is the task of everyone on Cotter Road to change their name.

*Since Cotter Road is an approach road to Canberra, National Capital Authority have the final say on anything to do with Cotter Road.

It's at the intersection with whatever depot that is about halfway between Streeton Dr and the new Cotter Rd/John Gorton traffic lights.

That's the ACT Parks/Environment ACT (whatever they call themselves now) depot.

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Re: The Molonglo Thread
« Reply #32 on: December 28, 2011, 10:57:32 PM »
Personally it would be much better to have the entire road from Adelaide Avenue through to Molonglo as John Gorton Drive, with Cotter Road starting from Wright/Coombs. They would have to change the signs, but it avoids having a split section of road.
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Re: The Molonglo Thread
« Reply #33 on: January 04, 2012, 11:00:05 AM »
Confirmation from the ACT Government that the section between Streeton and Cotter is supposed to be Cotter Road, JG Drive is supposed to start from the left turn of Cotter Road.

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Thank you for your enquiry dated 27 December 2011 concerning the extent of John Gorton Drive in Wright/Coombs.  The alignment of John Gorton Drive starts at the left turn of the Cotter Road as shown on the attached plan in Disallowable Instrument 2011-87.  The road will not split the Cotter Road into two separate roads, ie the section of road from Streeton Drive will remain as the Cotter Road.

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Re: The Molonglo Thread
« Reply #34 on: January 04, 2012, 04:43:16 PM »
Good thing you got those photos then

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Re: The Molonglo Thread
« Reply #35 on: January 05, 2012, 10:00:22 PM »
TAM's signage conventions and inconsistencies seem to create the kind of confusion evident with the Gorton Drive/Cotter Rd example.


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Re: The Molonglo Thread
« Reply #36 on: June 16, 2012, 01:31:37 AM »
Denman Prospect and Molonglo are the next two suburbs of Molonglo. Denman Prospect is named so as not to confuse this suburb with the town of Denman in New South Wales. Don't know why there would be confusion though, considering they each in a totally different state/territory.
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« Reply #37 on: July 18, 2012, 10:38:47 PM »
Contruction of earthworks and stone retaining walls for the Molonglo Ponds in the Wright/Coombs precinct appeared near completion in late June, as did North Weston pond. These features are all clearly visible from Cotter Rd.

O'Connor/Dickson wetlands developments along Banksia Rd haVE also been completed recently.

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« Reply #38 on: September 16, 2012, 09:10:45 PM »
John Gorton Drive now connects up to Uriarra Road.

Uriarra Rd is closed from the Bushfire Memorial (Peter Cullen Way?) to the new Uriarra/John Gorton intersection.

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« Reply #39 on: September 17, 2012, 07:30:28 PM »
Contruction of earthworks and stone retaining walls for the Molonglo Ponds in the Wright/Coombs precinct appeared near completion in late June, as did North Weston pond. These features are all clearly visible from Cotter Rd.

O'Connor/Dickson wetlands developments along Banksia Rd haVE also been completed recently.

Molonglo Ponds near Cotter Rd have been accumulating small amounts of water from run-off due to recent rains.

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Re: The Molonglo Thread
« Reply #40 on: March 28, 2013, 08:01:41 PM »
A map and street names for the first stage of Coombs has popped up on the Legislation Register site: http://www.legislation.act.gov.au/di/2013-28/current/pdf/2013-28.pdf

On another note, I asked Andrew Barr about Sulman on Twitter recently after he mentioned Denman Prospect and Molonglo, since I hadn't heard it mentioned since it was first announced. He said it would still go ahead, but not for another three years or so.

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« Reply #41 on: April 21, 2013, 01:00:03 AM »
For those that haven't travelled along Coppins Crossing Road lately, well John Gorton Drive is close to the Molonglo River. This means that Coppins Crossing Road has to take a diverted road just past Coppins Crossing.

Also a land sale sign for Denman Prospect has gone on Coppins Crossing Road.

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Re: The Molonglo Thread
« Reply #42 on: August 04, 2013, 01:15:32 PM »
They're renaming the portion of Uriarra Road from Cotter Road to John Gorton Drive as Swallowtail Road.

There's also going to be a new road from Uriarra Road to John Gorton Drive that crosses over Coppins Crossing Road - Opperman Ave

http://www.legislation.act.gov.au/di/2013-196/current/pdf/2013-196.pdf

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« Reply #43 on: August 04, 2013, 09:30:48 PM »
I wonder if the planned realignment of Uriarra Road is still going ahead with Opperman Avenue being so close to what was planned. Especially considering the Molonglo Pool was meant to fit in between a realigned Uriarra Road & Swallowtail  Road.

Also I did find the street names for Coombs http://www.legislation.act.gov.au/di/2013-28/current/pdf/2013-28.pdf . Next thing is to actually open those roads.
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Re: The Molonglo Thread
« Reply #44 on: August 05, 2013, 11:11:59 PM »
Coombs school is being funded with a view to it opening in 2016.

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Re: The Molonglo Thread
« Reply #45 on: September 21, 2013, 05:30:04 PM »
Also I did find the street names for Coombs. Next thing is to actually open those roads.
Looked at that today - the central road for Coombs will be Fred Daly Avenue (extension of Steve Irwin Avenue).

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Re: The Molonglo Thread
« Reply #46 on: June 25, 2014, 10:22:15 PM »
John Gorton Drive is now being used from the climb up after Coppins Crossing all the way to Streeton Drive/Cotter Road. With work on the two abutments in the early stages.

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Re: The Molonglo Thread
« Reply #47 on: June 26, 2014, 06:57:12 PM »
New service station intended for both Weston Ck and Molonglo communities is to be located on the Cotter Rd. Precise location is not known, but my guess is that it'll be on the westbound carriageway after the Tugg Parkway overpass.

A bit unusual being located on what will be a busy arterial road and nowhere near a local or group centre. Doesn't seem a very clever proposal.

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« Reply #48 on: June 26, 2014, 08:38:52 PM »
I was under the impression that it would be located at the top of Kirkpatrick St and would have a fast food outlet attached.
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« Reply #49 on: June 27, 2014, 11:26:34 AM »
I was under the impression that it would be located at the top of Kirkpatrick St and would have a fast food outlet attached.

Yes, I'd heard of that site as well, but a recent newsletter to Curtin / Weston residents from ACTPLA (received last week) refers to it being on the Cotter Road.....may be they meant "accessed from the Cotter Rd".

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« Reply #50 on: July 01, 2014, 09:40:24 AM »
New service station intended for both Weston Ck and Molonglo communities is to be located on the Cotter Rd. Precise location is not known, but my guess is that it'll be on the westbound carriageway after the Tugg Parkway overpass.

A bit unusual being located on what will be a busy arterial road and nowhere near a local or group centre. Doesn't seem a very clever proposal.

Don't know about it not being cleaver. It certainly doesn't follow the norm in Canberra, but elsewhere in Australia and most of the world for that matter it is quite normal and dare I say very cleaver to actually have, shock horror a servo on a main road.

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« Reply #51 on: July 01, 2014, 11:52:56 PM »
Why introduce needless congestion onto urban arterial roads when it can be avoided by smart planning?

European countries (possibly excepting Britain) know about smart town planning and avoiding these kinds of bad siting decisions.

Methinks it is the almighty dollar dictating the Cotter Rd site.

Anyway, wrong to suggest that Canberra hasn't got service stations on arterial roads....years ago, NCDC was pressured to permit two sites on Northbourne Ave / Federal Highway.

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« Reply #52 on: July 02, 2014, 12:06:49 AM »
Why introduce needless congestion onto urban arterial roads when it can be avoided by smart planning?

European countries (possibly excepting Britain) know about smart town planning and avoiding these kinds of bad siting decisions.

Methinks it is the almighty dollar dictating the Cotter Rd site.

Anyway, wrong to suggest that Canberra hasn't got service stations on arterial roads....years ago, NCDC was pressured to permit two sites on Northbourne Ave / Federal Highway.

European countries, have servos on main roads. In fact below is a list of places that I have visited overseas (you can add about 40 places in the UK to that list too) and the only place in the world where servos are not on main roads is Canberra. Though yes of course there are a couple of exceptions as you have mentioned. Guess you can also add Majura Park, Monaro Highway at Hume and least us not forget the Gull that was on Wentworth Ave too. None of which cause any traffic issues. So not sure what your concern is.

Accra
Amman
Amsterdam
Ankara
Assen
Athens
Auckland
Bali
Bangkok
Belfast
Belgrade
Berlin
Bern
Brest
Brussels
Budapest
Cairo
Colombo
Copenhagen
Cork
Dallas
Dili
Dublin
France
Geneva
Hanoi
Ho Chi Minh City
Hong Kong
Honolulu
Inverness
Islamabad
Istanbul
Jakarta
Jerusalem
Kuala Lumpur
Lausanne
Lisbon
London
Los Angeles
Madrid
Mae Sai (Chiang Rai)
Malta
Miami
Moscow
New Delhi
New York City
Nicosia
Paris
Phnom Penh
Phuket
Port of Spain
Prague
Rangoon
Rome
Singapore
St. Mortiz
Stockholm
Tel Aviv
Toulouse
Vienna
Vientiane
Warsaw
Washington DC
Zagreb
Zermatt

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« Reply #53 on: July 02, 2014, 10:33:06 PM »
Are we forgetting about the Shell & BP service stations on Melrose Drive in Phillip or the BP on Canberra Avenue in Kingston (or Manuka if that's the case)?

The hardest bit is trying to compare it with another new service stations sites in the ACT (under ACT planning laws). The only one I can think of are the two in Gungahlin, which are in the most annoying spot for service stations. But I am under the belief that the two in Kambah are in the most convenient location. The one near Kambah Village is just off Drakeford Drive (which avoids any congestion on Drakeford Drive) & is directly across from the main shopping centre. The one in South Kambah, is again just off Drakeford Drive (either via Jenke Circuit or O'Halloran Circuit) & it is used by parents picking up their kids from school. One location is set up for people filling up on their way to work & the other is set up for people filling up in their way home.

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« Reply #54 on: July 03, 2014, 12:44:26 PM »
Are we forgetting about the Shell & BP service stations on Melrose Drive in Phillip or the BP on Canberra Avenue in Kingston (or Manuka if that's the case)?
Griffith, actually. (Yes, I know they call it BP Kingston, but it's not.)

For those who are too young to remember, Melrose Drive had a Mobil service station at what is now Canberra Toyota / Lexus and there was also a Caltex at what is now CFWC on Botany Street. Similarly, Macquarie/Jamison started out with 3 servos: BP, Shell and Ampol (this was before Belconnen Town Centre existed).

Not sure what my point is. It might be that the "old" approach of siting multiple service stations at major locations to encourage competition has proved to not work. Nor did the concept of suburban service stations. Neither did offering prime sites to "discount" operators such as Gull who then sold out to Woolworths. (I'm not a fan of Government intervention in retail competition - should be a level playing field.) So if all of the above fails, next approach is to allow uber-service stations.

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« Reply #55 on: July 04, 2014, 08:59:07 PM »
Old parts of European cities have fuel stations on busy roads, but in new urban developments, they tend to be clustered within "town centres" rather than sited on their equivalents of arterial roads.




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« Reply #56 on: August 07, 2014, 08:26:18 AM »
Opperman Avenue has opened, connecting John Gorton Dr to Uriarra Road at the roundabout to Stromlo Park. Uriarra Road has been closed (permanently?) from that roundabout down to Swallowtail Road, which has had its old Uriarra Road signs replaced.

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« Reply #57 on: August 07, 2014, 01:04:28 PM »
Good to hear the Uriarra Road signs have finally been replaced. Based on the sign at the intersection of Opperman & Uriarra, the segment of Uriarra Road to Swallowtail Road is permanently closed. But I've not been able to find any official notification on the internet, other than on the Stromlo Park website.


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« Reply #58 on: August 08, 2014, 08:44:08 PM »
First road name for Denman Prospect - Holborow Avenue http://www.legislation.act.gov.au/di/2014-229/current/pdf/2014-229.pdf

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« Reply #59 on: December 28, 2014, 05:54:54 PM »
Drove out Molonglo Way the other day for the first time since John Denman Drive north of Wright had opened and noticed that they appear to be building a bridge over the river to the west of Coppings Crossing.

All plans I've seen show John Denman Drive crossing the river to the east of Coppins Crossing, heading east then turning north towards Bindubi Street. However the bridge is on the western side of Coppings Crossing with the stub on John Denman drive pointing towards said bridge.

So it would appear as if a change has been made, but am curious of John Denman will still swing back to Bindubi or if now it appears to be going west if it will swing back to Coulter Drive instead. (even earlier plans had it joining William Hovell halfway between Coulter and Bindubi)

Two other things, it is pleasing to see they have built it dual lane from the beginning, but am surprised they didn't build the median wide like Flemmington Road for future light rail development.

Getting OT I also drove on the Horse Park extensions and was pleased to see they have built the intersections to dual lane standard, so no more rebuilding every few as traffic increases and new developments open up, as was the case with the rest of Horse Park Drive.

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« Reply #60 on: December 28, 2014, 06:46:24 PM »
I believe it is John Gorton Dr like the building in Parkes on routes 2 and 3...and other runs but those are the ones I usually go on...

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« Reply #61 on: December 28, 2014, 08:29:34 PM »
 Year you right, was wrongly crossing it with Denman Prospect which the road runs through.

Any idea on the change of alignment and were it will now end up?

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« Reply #62 on: December 28, 2014, 09:19:08 PM »
My strent directory from 2013 shows John Gorton splitting after the bridge (east of copping xing) to have two roads with the same name. One to Coulter and the other to bindubi. ..so I'm not sure...either way, it will make for a bus run to Belco from Molonglo. ..though I think we already knew that..

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« Reply #63 on: December 29, 2014, 07:44:02 AM »
That is similar to the map I've seen too, though what I've seen is John Gorton going to Bindubi and a road coming off it heading to Coulter Drive. This road is also marked as part of the Intertown transport route, see link below. But as mentioned it must of changed due to the location of the bridge just not seen anything about the change and the it. Unless of course what the are building over the river isn't a road bridge, but sure looks like it is.

http://www.planning.act.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0016/33217/Molonglo_Valley_Territory_Plan_Map.pdf

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« Reply #64 on: December 29, 2014, 10:10:12 AM »
I thought John Gorton was to run to Bindubi, while the new bridge is for a realignment of Coppins Crossing Rd to Coulter, but I may be wrong,

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« Reply #65 on: December 29, 2014, 10:14:05 AM »
I believe it is John Gorton Dr like the building in Parkes on routes 2 and 3

Correct. Sir John Grey Gorton: 19th Prime Minister of Australia (1968-1971).

Denman Prospect is named for Lady Gertrude (Trudie) Denman and Lord Thomas Denman (not John).

Done some internet searching - can't find anything that suggests the route of John Gorton Drive has changed, bar one reference to a realignment. The road will mark the boundary between Denman Prospect and Molonglo so its route is fairly important.

My guess is that the bridge you are referring to is not actually crossing the Molonglo River (yet), just the valley.

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« Reply #66 on: December 30, 2014, 09:10:37 PM »
My guess is that the bridge you are referring to is not actually crossing the Molonglo River (yet), just the valley.

Just looked on google maps to see if I could explain where I could see the form work. The form work I could see was one of the moveable ones like they are using to build the Mujura Parkway Bridge over the river and used on the Gungahlin Drive bridges over Belconnen Way. Anyway lo and behold you can see the worksite and the form work on the 100m image. It is crossing the river basically heading north west with the form launching from the northern side of the river. If not the road, guess it could be water main or sewer related, but don't see why they would need such a large form work if one of those. Could also be a secondary road too I guess.

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« Reply #67 on: December 31, 2014, 09:13:58 AM »
Did some further internet searches (including looking at the satellite images on Google Maps). The thing being built is a combined "sewer and pedestrian link bridge". (Refer to ACT Budget 2014-15 )

There are no plans at present for the John Gorton Drive crossing of Molonglo River.
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« Reply #68 on: December 31, 2014, 08:39:51 PM »
Did some further internet searches (including looking at the satellite images on Google Maps). The thing being built is a combined "sewer and pedestrian link bridge". (Refer to ACT Budget 2014-15 )

There are no plans at present for the John Gorton Drive crossing of Molonglo River.

Interesting thanks. Must be going to be some serious bridge to need to use that kind of moving formwork. Will be interesting to see. If you look at the alignment of John Gorton Drive where it ends, you can see why I had suspected it was a road bridge as it is heading right for it.

So if the plans I linked above reflect the re-aligned road (which I reckon they must as the original plan had the road ending halfway between Coulter Drive and Bindubi Street) it must mean the road is going to swing back to the right and cross Coppins Crossing road yet again when it is eventually built.

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« Reply #69 on: July 18, 2015, 08:01:27 PM »
It appears the aforementioned bridge has been named Butters Bridge: http://www.legislation.act.gov.au/di/2015-215/current/pdf/2015-215.pdf

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« Reply #70 on: November 09, 2015, 06:56:23 AM »
The first suburb in stage three has been named Whitlam.

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« Reply #71 on: May 21, 2016, 07:22:01 PM »
For some random reason, the street lights for Denman Prospect were on last night. The strrets were still blocked off (can't be for much longer now) & the lights weren't on the previous Friday night.

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« Reply #72 on: October 08, 2016, 10:56:08 PM »
The "big bridge" over the Molonglo River opened a little while ago.

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/slender-new-butters-bridge-crosses-skinny-stretch-of-molonglo-20160929-grrygf.html

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