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Fleet / Re: 40 new Scanias in 2018
« Last post by King of Buses on August 28, 2018, 04:06:20 PM »
Anyone care to speculate on how the artics will be shared? And whether they might transfer some STAGs to Tuggeranong to make room at Belconnen.

My guess is 513-516 plus 481, 482 and 485-487 come to Tuggeranong (9 out for 10 new). Purely a guess though. Wouldn’t surprise me if fewer artics are transferred but more STAGs than I suggested head south.

The R4 in the new network seems like an ideal place for STAG allocation, so more STAGs at Tuggeranong seems logical...
Canberra Metro / Re: Stage 2 (City to Woden) Route
« Last post by Busfanatic101 on August 28, 2018, 12:57:03 PM »

Well, an interesting development. At least they're not going to stoop that low, as to divert via Kings Av. At least while it involves forking out more money...

ACT threatens to pull pin on light rail if forced to use Kings Avenue
By Katie Burgess
28 August 2018 — 6:18am
The Barr government has threatened to pull the pin on the second stage of light rail if it's forced to use Kings Avenue bridge to travel over the lake, saying it would cost at least $300 million more but take longer and pick up fewer passengers.

The federal parliament's joint standing committee has interrogated ACT government officials for the past few months over the decision to use Commonwealth Bridge to get light rail to Woden, amid concerns it will negatively impact on the Parliamentary Triangle.

Committee chair and Liberal MP Ben Morton has returned repeatedly to the question of whether Kings Avenue bridge would be preferable, given it would lend itself to an offshoot to the Russell offices and the airport.

That would require light rail to travel down Constitution Avenue, which is already earmarked for use on the future east-west spine between Belconnen and the airport.

However ACT Transport Minister Meegan Fitzharris said the government was unlikely to invest in the project if the light rail was forced to cross via Kings Avenue.

“Canberra is best served by a north-south light rail spine via Commonwealth Avenue, which will provide better light rail coverage through the City and Parliamentary areas, and result in higher passenger numbers, fewer significant trees needing removal and better travel times," Ms Fitzharris said.

“Up until now all our planning and design has been for a City to Woden route that crosses the lake at Commonwealth Avenue. Crossing the lake at Kings Avenue to get to Woden would increase the cost to around $1.9 billion, while isolating vast areas of the city.

"Given the lasting, sub-optimal outcomes this would produce for Canberra, the ACT government is reluctant to support it."

In responses to questions on notice, the government estimated the cost of building light rail via Kings Avenue would be between $1.53-$1.9 billion.

By comparison, the Commonwealth Avenue route is expected to cost between $1.3-$1.6 billion.

These costings are not detailed and are based on a price per kilometre, given the Kings Avenue option is two kilometres longer than the Commonwealth Avenue route.

It also doesn't take into account the higher annual maintenance cost, or the need for extra light rail vehicles, drivers and staff, which could add up to an extra $7 million per year.

The government said using Constitution Avenue and Kings Avenue for both north-south and east-west services would reduce the overall capacity of the future light rail network, given the two lines will overlap on Constitution Avenue.

It would also limit future expansion of the network and would cause major traffic problems on Coranderrk Street.

The government analysed the intersection of Constitution Avenue and Coranderrk Street when considering the Russell extension during procurement for light rail stage one.

While the intersection was expected to cope with light rail services to Russell and the airport, it was expected to fail if it was also used for north-south light rail."In turn this would expose the city road network to unacceptable delays," the government said.

Already, Constitution Avenue is not wide enough for a separate light rail corridor, which exposes the network to delays from broken down cars and traffic.

According to its modelling, using Kings Avenue would blow out the travel time from Civic to Woden to 35-39 minutes.

Southside residents already say the 25-30 minutes the chosen stage two route will take is too long, and have called for the government to dump the Barton dogleg.

The government also said the Kings Avenue route would pick up fewer passengers, with a projected daily patronage of 31,200 in 2041, compared to 39, 000 for Commonwealth Avenue.

There are buses that replicated the chosen route for light rail stage two and the alternative Kings Avenue route -a standard bus service from Civic to Woden that down Commonwealth Avenue and through Barton; and a Rapid bus that goes via Constitution Avenue, along Kings Avenue and through Barton.

An analysis of MyWay data showed there were four times as many commuters travelling over Commonwealth Avenue rather than Kings Avenue.

The government also pointed out more Charles Weston trees would have to be chopped down if the light rail went down Kings Avenue - 40 compared to 28.

The ACT Labor conference recently voted for stage three of light rail to go from Belconnen to the Airport, and Ms Fitzharris said she would "be looking into how we can make that happen".

“Ultimately we are building a light rail network that needs dedicated corridors travelling east-west and north-south, both intersecting in the city," Ms Fitzharris said.

“We can’t look at each route in isolation – we need to think about how it will work within the broader network if we want to get this right.

“An alternative via Kings Avenue would ultimately be detrimental to both the road network and the light rail network as it would force both the route to Woden and a future route to the Airport to share the same track along Constitution Avenue, creating significant delays to both routes.”
Fleet / Re: 40 new Scanias in 2018
« Last post by Barry Drive on August 28, 2018, 11:50:02 AM »
So from the current allocation pattern of new buses, can we assume all Volgren rigids will end up at Belco? And the additional bustechs at Tuggeranong?  :-\
We can assume that, at least until proven otherwise.

My concern with this arrangement is the allocation of artics. If all Volgren-bodied rigids go to Belconnen does this also mean that all the artics will need to go there as well? Although until recently, Belconnen had 621 without any other Volgrens. Anyone care to speculate on how the artics will be shared? And whether they might transfer some STAGs to Tuggeranong to make room at Belconnen.

BTW, 672 - the first artic - was delivered yesterday with 673 expected possibly by the end of the week.

Photo of the Month / Re: September 2018
« Last post by Barry Drive on August 28, 2018, 10:28:25 AM »
Voting is now open. Voting may close at any time on 1 September if there is a clear winner, so vote now.
Canberra Metro / Re: Light Rail Stage 1 Construction
« Last post by triumph on August 27, 2018, 11:51:57 PM »
Another look today from route 200 buses.

'T' traffic lights in use from and including Nullabor Ave to Gungahlin. Noted 2 aspect signal lights provided on each side and at each end of the Gungahlin Terminus 'scissors' crossover.

3 light rail vehicles were just S of Nullabor Ave with a 4th at the compound between Nullabor Ave and Mapleton Ave. Later noted that 2 had moved N of Nullabor Ave.

Landscaping appears nearly complete N from Sandford St, and wire rope safety fencing has been installed at more locations.

Station roofs are up at Alinga St; Elouera St; Dickson Interchange; Swinden St; Phillip Ave; EPIC and Racecourse; Well Station Dr; Nullabor Ave; Mapleton Ave; Manning Clark North, and Gungahlin Place. It was noted that no workers were active at Gungahlin Place Station, which was a hive of activity on previous visits. They seemed to have left in a hurry as a wheelbarrow, partly full of dirt and paving mortar, was abandoned on site. Stations at EPIC and Dickson are double platform type. I think I spotted a crossover just S of Dickson Interchange. There is another just N of Nullabor Ave which, with the Depot, would give 3 opportunities for short running and provide 4 opportunities for creating temporary/emergency single line sections (though using the depot would be complex). A forum post mentioned roof drainage. I didn't see anything specific, but this is so basic that surely it is provided for - possibly by downpipes hidden within the support structures.

Rails were laid out ready from Elouera St to Morphett St and appeared installed further N.

Overhead has reached Antill St from the N with detail finishing still to be done. Overhead support poles are installed S to at least Ipima St. Looking at the overhead structure, at several crossroads the support is by wires strung across from poles on either side of the road rather than centre poles. It appears to me that the centre poles are not placed centrally in some places, as the spreaders are different lengths on either side of the pole. Also at all but one pole, the spreaders are at the same height. It is not obvious why that one exception should occur. Likewise, what criteria decided the pole diameter choice. As no consistency in the 2 diameters in use was apparent. 

The Playground / Re: What bus did you get today?
« Last post by triumph on August 27, 2018, 10:34:24 PM »
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Fleet / Re: 40 new Scanias in 2018
« Last post by Bus 503 on August 27, 2018, 08:19:22 PM »
647 was in service this evening.
Routes and Timetables / Re: Network 2019
« Last post by Busfanatic101 on August 27, 2018, 08:04:57 PM »
I wonder if a different idea would be to start a 4 & 5 from schools like Alfred Deakin & Melrose/Marist High Schools. Bit like Belconnen suburban buses do now from Radford.
That's a good suggestion and perhaps what they already have in mind.
There were/are 2s that started/finished at Lyneham High, and as an example of a rapid service that does this currently is a 200 that starts at Narrabundah College.
Given Deakin High is located centrally, most probably a bus will have to travel from belco/tuggers depots or at least through woden/civic, so there may be minimal advantage to start at Deakin as they will just be dead running half the same route.
Either way, it is likely that these diversion services will be in addition to the regular frequency, so an extra option for commuters rather than an inconvenience.
Fleet / Re: 40 new Scanias in 2018
« Last post by Busfanatic101 on August 27, 2018, 07:56:54 PM »
So from the current allocation pattern of new buses, can we assume all Volgren rigids will end up at Belco? And the additional bustechs at Tuggeranong?  :-\
The Playground / Re: What bus did you get today?
« Last post by King of Buses on August 27, 2018, 05:58:49 PM »
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