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Title: Network 2014
Post by: Barry Drive on March 23, 2012, 10:22:10 am
Too soon?

From ACTION's website:
QuoteAll feedback received from the consultation was considered however not all feedback could be included in the 2012 network changes. Feedback which has not already been included will be incorporated into a wider, more extensive review of the ACTION network currently being undertaken. Further changes will be implemented in 2013.


ACTION's Twitter:
QuoteComplete review of ACTION services is planned for 2013. Public consult towards end 2012.


Transport for Canberra policy:
QuoteWeekend bus routes will be changed so buses travel the same routes as weekday services. This will create a coherent, easily understood  network. This will be a key consideraton in the development of the next ACTION enterprise bargaining agreement in 2013.


Put that all together and Network 2013 can't commence until July 2013 at the earliest and more likely early 2014.
Title: Re: Network 2013
Post by: Barry Drive on June 30, 2012, 03:14:24 pm
The whispers are that Network 2013 implementation is targeted for Term 4 2013 - so no earlier than 14 October.

Meanwhile, here is the first possible Network 2013 route change: based on permanent bus stop locations, route through Crace at some point in future will travel along most of Langtree Cres. Possible route (from Belconnen) is (R) Abena Av (R) Redruth St (cont) Langtree Cres (R) Jellicoe St .
Title: Re: Network 2013
Post by: CNG on June 30, 2012, 07:32:40 pm
is the shift spill in late 2012 still occuring?
Title: Re: Network 2013
Post by: King of Buses on July 04, 2012, 10:31:42 am
I wonder if they will start services to Molonglo next network.
I went throught Wright the other day and the concrete pads are down for bus stops on Steve Irwin Ave and John Gorton Dr.
Possibly either 30 series or 90 series routes?
Title: Re: Network 2013
Post by: Buzz Killington on July 04, 2012, 03:45:47 pm
Quote from: King of Buses on July 04, 2012, 10:31:42 am
Possibly either 30 series or 90 series routes?


90 series is already in use. 30 series would be likely given that the 20 series is Woden/Weston.
Title: Re: Network 2013
Post by: CNG on July 04, 2012, 05:28:38 pm
maybe 70 series never know
Title: Network 2013
Post by: Bus 400 on July 04, 2012, 06:53:23 pm
Quote from: CNG on July 04, 2012, 05:28:38 pm
maybe 70 series never know


70 series are for Community Routes. Easier to renumber the 30 & 31 to 40 series routes & the 39 to something like Route 1. Then trying to get Grandma Smith acing to remember which bus goes to the nursing home & gets on a 76, but ends up in Denman Prospect.
Title: Re: Network 2013
Post by: The Love Guru on July 04, 2012, 09:25:37 pm
29 is my guess, as the route will almost certainly go from Woden to Cooleman then onto Molonglo
Title: Re: Network 2013
Post by: King of Buses on July 05, 2012, 02:24:26 pm
Another Change that I'd like to see next year relates to the 958 and 952.
In My opinion the 958 should still travel around Amaroo shortening trips on the 952.

Also the 921/922 and the 923/924 should travel via the same route as the weekday 21/22 and 23/24.

The 80 should also go back to servicing the Causeway.

I've got many other things I'd like ot see however I don't have time to write them all now.
Title: Network 2013
Post by: Bus 400 on December 06, 2012, 06:18:48 pm
ACTION has informed its Twitter followers that details will released shortly, with consultation to begin in 2013.
Title: Re: Network 2013
Post by: King of Buses on December 10, 2012, 11:52:29 am
For Molonglo next network, I'd like to see...

Route 34 (not neccesarily this number but anyway): A loop service that operates from Woden to Curtin (Theodore St/McCulloch St), North Weston, Wright (John Gorton Dr, Steve Irwin Ave) and then back via the same route. The turnaround point could be Steve Irwin Ave/Peter Cullen Way. Also this service could be replaced in the future to operate to the Molonglo Town centre.

Route 35 : Woden to City via Cooleman Court and Molonglo Town centre. This could also become a Blue rapid sort of service and run between Belconnen and Tuggeranong via City (regular 300), Molonglo (the 35), Cooleman (the 35), Woden. This could be numbered 335 perhaps.

But anyway, I can dream can't I?
Title: Re: Network 2013
Post by: Bus 400 on December 11, 2012, 08:06:11 pm
While I highly suspect it won't make Network 2013 proposals, I have submitted my proposal for a change in the way Xpresso & School Services are run. Rather then typing it all again, below is an extract from the message I sent ACTION:

Quote
-The next proposal is a big change in how things are at the moment. Instead of running a whole heap of school routes through the suburbs & wondering every year if a student that the school bus was extended for is still there. Why not use the old termini around the suburbs & suburban shops to start school runs from? You could even add Park & Rides to some of these areas. You could then run additional Xpresso's from the suburbs to the City/Parliamentary Triangle. So the parents could drop the kids off at the terminus, wave good bye as the school bus drives off & then jump on an Xpresso to work. I am yet to work out what happens in the afternoon. But another part of this plan would also to have nearby suburban routes deviate to the termini. In the case of Gungahlin where there are no "cut out" termini. You could use the suburban shopping centres or even the end of roads like Mulligan's Flat Road just before the NSW/ACT border for Forde residents & the end of Roden Cutler Drive for Bonner. If this idea was to go ahead hopefully special termini could be built into future suburbs.
Kind Regards,
Title: Network 2013
Post by: Bus 400 on December 26, 2012, 10:02:04 pm
Going by the Google Transit Feed, in the first quarter changes are expected to timetables.
These include the 57 running until 22:00
Route 958 will now depart Cohen St at :20 past the hour. 958 to depart Gungahlin at :18 past the hour

There are bound to be more changes, but I can't find any without spending hours going through the data.
Title: Re: Network 2013
Post by: The Love Guru on December 26, 2012, 10:04:57 pm
Highly doubt you'll see a change to weekday timetables before the 2013 network review.
Title: Re: Network 2013
Post by: Bus 400 on December 26, 2012, 10:31:31 pm
Quote from: The Love Guru on December 26, 2012, 10:04:57 pm
Highly doubt you'll see a change to weekday timetables before the 2013 network review.


[smartarse]
Wellllll, if the network review starts before any changes. Then technically these changes have occurred after the review (has started).
[/smartarse]
Title: Re: Network 2013
Post by: The Love Guru on December 27, 2012, 08:06:09 am
You missed the point. There wont be any changes until late in 2013.
Title: Network 2013
Post by: Bus 400 on February 13, 2013, 07:01:56 pm
The Gungahlin Community Council is currently being told about the proposed bus route updates. So far the GCC have posted:

-New Belconnen to Gungahlin Rapid Route
-Increased frequency on current rapid route
-Public consultation next month
-New Park & Ride at Gozzard St & Valley Ave, Well Station/Flemington P&R is in the medium term.
Title: Network 2013
Post by: Bus 400 on August 06, 2013, 06:29:58 pm
In the Woden Master plan a few new route numbers have come up for Network 13. They include 68, 163, 791 & 792. I have no idea where they will/would of gone except north.
Title: Re: Network 2013
Post by: Barry Drive on September 10, 2013, 10:44:47 am
According to the latest ACTION newsletter, new services are set to commence in early 2014 with the community consultation phase due to start "in late August."

Among the proposed changes are:
Title: Re: Network 2013
Post by: The Love Guru on September 10, 2013, 12:58:42 pm
I think they wrote the news letter prior to the budget being announced, or they have a money printer in the office!

There is no money allocated anywhere for the addition of these services so one can only assume they will come at the cost of other runs.

We all know that early 2014 is code for Christmas 2014 or later.
Title: Re: Network 2013
Post by: ajw373 on September 13, 2013, 07:19:50 am
Quote from: ACTbusspotter on September 10, 2013, 10:44:47 am
According to the latest ACTION newsletter, new services are set to commence in early 2014 with the community consultation phase due to start "in late August."

Among the proposed changes are:
  • a new service linking Molonglo to Woden and Cooleman Court with a peak hour Xpresso to City

  • a new Rapid between Gungahlin and Belconnen [replacing the Gung - Belc sector of routes 56 & 58]

  • a new services (sic) for Hume

  • improved services for Dunlop and West Macgregor

  • improved service between Erindale and Woden

  • improved services to the airport business park

  • increased Xpresso services between Weston Creek and City, including an Xpresso direct to City from Cooleman Court




The Canberra Crimes has an article talking about some of the changes. The one that struck me was a new blue rapid for Dunlop. I wonder if that will be an extension of one of the routes that terminates at Kippax (can never remember if they are 318/319 or something different). I guess they could extend one of them to follow the route of the 43 from Kippax, and also extend one of the others to Macgregor (new) and do away with the 43, or keep the 43 and route it to new Macgregor.

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/parliamentary-bus-services-get-a-boost-after-car-park-fee-rise-20130912-2tnus.html
Title: Re: Network 2013
Post by: Buzz Killington on September 13, 2013, 08:35:00 am
I assumed they'd cut the 45 and replace that with either an extension of the 318/319. Can't see much need for a whole "new" blue rapid.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: ajw373 on September 13, 2013, 09:50:11 am
The ACTION website now has some maps. The 45 is indeed gone and the 43, now a 343 cuts out Handcock Crescent and is the only bus in Dunlop (with variations being a short 43 and peak hour 743 replacing the 703)

The New Macgregor service is still a stub, personally I would have run it as a loop through new Macgergor off Southern Cross drive, then down Cannon Street onto Osborne/O'Reiley etc.

Still no services terminating at Charnwood which has been rumorded here before.

Network map here:

http://www.action.act.gov.au/news/network-14

Belconnen Map here:

http://www.action.act.gov.au/news/network-14/belconnen
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Buzz Killington on September 13, 2013, 09:52:57 am
The changes are far more substantial than I imagined.

Some interesting changes in Tuggeranong.

The listings on their site aren't great - for example, the 743 isn't listed and the 43 is marked as deleted when presumably (going by the map) it will be the off peak 343.

Not a word about weekends either...
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Barry Drive on September 13, 2013, 12:58:17 pm
Quote from: ajw373 on September 13, 2013, 09:50:11 am
Still no services terminating at Charnwood which has been rumorded (sic) here before.
Yes, because there is not yet a terminus at Charnwood Shops for services to terminate at. I thought we'd covered that before :)

My first concern is no connection between Dunlop & Charnwood shops and also North Lyneham/Miller St & Dickson shops. (History: route 380 was introduced in 1979 which was the first time Miller St was linked to Dickson shops.)

44 change is very similar to the one The_Love_Guru and I suggested some time ago. But it needs to extend further north into West Macgregor and possibly use Cannan Cres and Osburn Dr as ajw373 suggest, or else do a full loop of Macfarlane Burnet / Constance Stone.

Ideally, West Macgregor and Dunlop should have the most direct routes possible from Belconnen. But the question is: is Dunlop better serviced by the proposed 43/343 via Macgregor and Kippax or would it be better to have a direct route via Charnwood (e.g. current 14 to Tillyard, then Lhotsky, Florey, Ginninderra, Lance Hill, Kerrigan, Shakespeare to Fraser West
)?

Interesting that they reduce services in some suburbs (such as Theodore and Richardson) in the name of streamlined/more direct services, yet 17 still goes along Erldunda Cct and 14 uses Bingley Cr - both of which could have also been cut.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: ajw373 on September 13, 2013, 05:05:24 pm
Quote from: ACTbusspotter on September 13, 2013, 12:58:17 pm
Yes, because there is not yet a terminus at Charnwood Shops for services to terminate at. I thought we'd covered that before :)


It is a chicken and egg thing really. If you have no services that need to terminate there you don't need a terminus. Now looking at the current network and the proposed network what routes would be better if they terminate at Charnwood instead of elsewhere, such as Fraser West. So to me it is really a terminus at Charnwood shops is a solution looking for a problem to solve.

Quote from: ACTbusspotter on September 13, 2013, 12:58:17 pmMy first concern is no connection between Dunlop & Charnwood shops and also North Lyneham/Miller St & Dickson shops. (History: route 380 was introduced in 1979 which was the first time Miller St was linked to Dickson shops.)


No Dunlop to Charnwood shops I can understand, especially as Dunlop now has it's own supermarket and it has a link to Kippax, which is clearly much bigger than Charnwood. Also it's not like there is a school to be serviced at Charnwood, but Kippax has the regional high school, so needs a link. But if you must I guess the 343 instead of going into Shakespeare Cres to Fraser West Terminus could turn down Lhotsky Street instead and terminate at Charnwood, so solve both the issues you have above. But again think it is a solution to a problem that doesn't exit. No North Lyneham to Dickson is silly though, people over there need access to a group centre and Lyhneham High.

Quote from: ACTbusspotter on September 13, 2013, 12:58:17 pm
44 change is very similar to the one The_Love_Guru and I suggested some time ago. But it needs to extend further north into West Macgregor and possibly use Cannan Cres and Osburn Dr as ajw373 suggest, or else do a full loop of Macfarlane Burnet / Constance Stone.

Ideally, West Macgregor and Dunlop should have the most direct routes possible from Belconnen. But the question is: is Dunlop better serviced by the proposed 43/343 via Macgregor and Kippax or would it be better to have a direct route via Charnwood (e.g. current 14 to Tillyard, then Lhotsky, Florey, Ginninderra, Lance Hill, Kerrigan, Shakespeare to Fraser West
)?



I think Dunlop is much better served being linked to Kippax, instead of Charnwood as Kippax is the group centre for West Belconnen. As mentioned the 44 should go down Cannan Street and do the full loop of West Macgregor, if I am not mistaken the newer section already has bus stop pads, but the buses just U turn and head back. I don't beleive it is, in reality any less direct than going down Ginninderra Drive and serves more people and the group centre. The 44 to Belconnen though will be a PIA as it seems to go everywhere on it's way.
Title: Network 2014
Post by: Bus 400 on September 13, 2013, 06:15:10 pm
What is also missed is Springbank Rise in Casey. School buses already service this area & by 2014 that new part of Ngunnawal should be ready for its first residents.

I also think if you are going to completely reroute the 2,3 & 6 then they should be renumbered.

But on that note, it is good to see a return of Yaralumla buses going down National Circuit, Forrest. Something seen back in 1962 (watch this space in the near future).

I think the retorting of the 22/23/24 should work through Lyons & Chifley.

To add to the Charnwood Terminus fire, while we have seen a tender for this work. It is the only project that is yet to progress further. With all the others from Erindale Bus Station to Gungahlin Bus Station at least going to the next stage.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: The Love Guru on September 13, 2013, 07:34:48 pm
2,3 & 6 are renumbered! They look nothing like the current ones.

As for National Cct, at present the road is going to prove to be unusable by buses due to significant car parking issues in the area. Easily fixed with no parking signs though.

Nth Lyneham has its own shopping centre and anything else that one should need would be available in the City, so the loss of the link to Dickson is no biggie. It's good to see some removal of the archaic links between suburbs and group centres as this was yesterdays way of doing things. Now its about getting into the town centres where its a 1 stop shop for everything you need.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: manhinli on September 14, 2013, 01:00:20 am
Quite a change with Network '14 this time round. Radical changes of some routes.

Interesting to see 9 and 59 are now loops.

The supposed 5 minute combined frequency of the 200 series better be evenly distributed. At the moment, the 200 and 50s often come in groups in the morning - I remember up to three being scheduled at times at my stop. Overcrowding in one and under-loading in the other happens quite a lot (which I try to tactically take advantage of, if I have the time.)

Are the new 25x routes all-stops? Guessing they're not... I suppose there has to be efficiencies gained somewhere. Though I would miss an all-stops service from Flemington Road to mid-way Northbourne Ave in the morning as I do now.

Funny how 200/201 goes back through the train station after it was streamlined to run completely down Wentworth/Canberra Ave for Network '12.

201 does the full 200 then goes around Fyshwick towards Woden... Why not split at Ipswich St like that of the now removed Route 80? I doubt there are a lot of people missing out on the remainder of Canberra Ave considering 201 is only at best half hourly.

I see that they've changed how Route 2 runs from City north... Didn't they face a bit of opposition when they tried to change Route 2 last time?

Not sure if Route 100 will continue past this year, but now that Route 81 is a full service 7 days a week with the Arboretum included and most of the remaining landmarks are covered by other routes, I think it's a good substitute for tourists (or people like me who have never been to the Arboretum!)


I think that the numbering system is a bit restrictive and now there's recycling of numbers for what will become quite different routes in such a short space of time. Having fewer digits for core routes and vice versa for coverage routes makes more sense in terms of allotment of numbers. I'm not suggesting that we completely rip out and renumber everything, but something to think about.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: belcodriver on September 14, 2013, 08:00:51 am
Quote from: The Love Guru on September 13, 2013, 07:34:48 pm
2,3 & 6 are renumbered! They look nothing like the current ones.

As for National Cct, at present the road is going to prove to be unusable by buses due to significant car parking issues in the area. Easily fixed with no parking signs though.

Nth Lyneham has its own shopping centre and anything else that one should need would be available in the City, so the loss of the link to Dickson is no biggie. It's good to see some removal of the archaic links between suburbs and group centres as this was yesterdays way of doing things. Now its about getting into the town centres where its a 1 stop shop for everything you need.


Dickson has a proper supermarket unlike the City.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: ajw373 on September 14, 2013, 08:23:32 am
Quote from: Bus 400 on September 13, 2013, 06:15:10 pm
What is also missed is Springbank Rise in Casey. School buses already service this area & by 2014 that new part of Ngunnawal should be ready for its first residents.


Does seem silly as that is a reasonable sized estate. I wonder if they are waiting for the road from Overall Ave to Spingbank to open? As it would seem logical to send the 52/252 up that road and then over Horse Park into the newer section of Ngunnawal. This is one thing that irks me about new developments. Whilst of course the demand isn't as high when a place is under construction if you don't provide a service then people will find other means (car) and their habbits will be set, which will make it harder to change when the service does go in.

The way developments are done don't help either, case in point being the missing link from Overall Ave to Springbank rise. The roads that link estates (which are logically the roads bus routes will take) should go in first not last.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: ajw373 on September 14, 2013, 08:30:39 am
Quote from: The Love Guru on September 13, 2013, 07:34:48 pm
Nth Lyneham has its own shopping centre and anything else that one should need would be available in the City, so the loss of the link to Dickson is no biggie. It's good to see some removal of the archaic links between suburbs and group centres as this was yesterdays way of doing things. Now its about getting into the town centres where its a 1 stop shop for everything you need.


That's funny, if anything I would have said the town centre mentality is what is yesterdays way of doing things rather than group centres. I think Action even thinks that too, as they are doing quite a lot to get services to group centres, such as Kippax, Erindale, Lanyon etc. Now whilst North Lyneham does have a supermarket it is only a small one, so it needs a link to the nearest group centre which is Dickson (just like Dunlop needs a link to Kippax over Charnwood). It would be easy to do too, just switch the 31 and 30, by sending the 30 into North Lyneham and the 31 past.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: King of Buses on September 14, 2013, 10:22:59 am
What have the route planners being smoking!

Some of these routes are alright while others are well... Strange.
To the list of routes and suburbs which won't link to shops, the 22 doesn't appear to go to Mawson.

All seems a bit familiar though, most routes having Xpresso versions, and later on they get cut. (Network '98, '03,'05...)

Also the return of the old 83 (as 705 still but) to Cooleman from Tuggers and Belco.

Route 720 as well. Very well used every time I see it. Now they're ditching it! Ridiculous.

Route 171? I thought they were trying to make routes simple and easy to understand. Thus having most daytime routes as two digit or 200 Series/300 Series. So this would probably confuse many passengers.

The fact that many of the changes have been mooted before and complained about too much therefore not being introduced will probably mean the exact same thing will happen.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Barry Drive on September 14, 2013, 11:32:28 am
Quote from: King of Buses on September 14, 2013, 10:22:59 am
To the list of routes and suburbs which won't link to shops, the 22 doesn't appear to go to Mawson.

Route 720 as well. Very well used every time I see it. Now they're ditching it! Ridiculous.

Route 22 not going to Mawson? I'm OK with that. But the 23/24 still does - from Lyons. The 21 & 22 variations were done to avoid crossing Hindmarsh Dr between Eggleston Cres and Launceston St. But the result is the utterly ridiculous 23/24 which starts in Lyons then goes to Southlands and still makes travel to or from Farrer too long. I can't see any simple alternative though.

Many years ago, ACTION considered running one of the Curtin routes (230/231) through Lyons but they never went ahead with it. Another option could be to run a Weston Creek service through Lyons via Burnie St, but those routes are already long enough.

The 720 has gone the same way as the 729, 732, 770 and other Xpressos which had a unique route. The new idea is to run the Xpresso services along the same corridor as the regular route (as much as possible) to avoid passenger "confusion". Never mind that the Xpresso route was popular and/or more direct. Most important thing is to avoid any possibility for confusion.

Quote from: manhinli on September 14, 2013, 01:00:20 am
Funny how 200/201 goes back through the train station after it was streamlined to run completely down Wentworth/Canberra Ave for Network '12.

201 does the full 200 then goes around Fyshwick towards Woden... Why not split at Ipswich St like that of the now removed Route 80? I doubt there are a lot of people missing out on the remainder of Canberra Ave considering 201 is only at best half hourly.

200 / 201 basically turns into the 80 from Railway Station onwards. Which removes the duplication of both the 200 and 80 travelling to Fyshwick. Clever idea in theory. It does mean though that the "Rapid" (limited stops) portion of both routes will be limited to Northbourne Av and Constitution Av.

Quote from: ajw373 on September 13, 2013, 05:05:24 pm
I think Dunlop is much better served being linked to Kippax, instead of Charnwood as Kippax is the group centre for West Belconnen. ... The 44 to Belconnen though will be a PIA as it seems to go everywhere on it's way.
Some valid points. Except that Charnwood is also a Group Centre.

If you think the modified 44 is a PIA, you should try it now (additional running through Belconnen, Scullin and Higgins). Yet passengers still catch it from Belconnen to West Macgregor, Holt or Kippax rather than catching a direct service to Kippax (318/319) then catching it from Kippax. The 44 from Belconnen will travel from Cohen St out to Joynton Smith Dr, Emu Bank then back through BCBS, Westfield BS, Lathlain St then Belconnen Way. This will save 5 or more minutes heading out from Westfield but will also provide a service to Emu Bank which 45 previously ran. Cutting out Scullin and reducing Higgins should save another 5 minutes. 
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: The Love Guru on September 14, 2013, 04:41:11 pm
I assume you mean the 23/24 start in Woden and proceed to Lyons as they do now?

Most of the changes are positive, fingers crossed for more cash next year to build the frequency up as at the moment they have streamlined a lot of services but frequencies are generally unchanged.

Hoping they don't tinker with it at all even after community consultation. Still not sold on the idea of employing experts to design a network then get people who know nothing about transport to put their two cents in. It's like designing a building and letting randoms alert the design without understanding how one piece effects another.
Title: Network 2014
Post by: Bus 400 on September 14, 2013, 05:10:57 pm
My non forum/non driver sources tell me that a Dart is currently being used to time every service. With a plan to implement with the completed NXTBUS rollout & Woden temporary bus station.
An AdShel ad at the ANU Bus Ststion looks to shows the full route 88 thru Hume. While I didn't get a clear view it looks to do a loop & go as far south as the Caltex & back up Sheppard to Lanyon Drive.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Buzz Killington on September 14, 2013, 05:34:58 pm
I'm finding it odd that the 163 and 171 (what's with that route number?) take the same path through Wanniassa.

I would divert one of those up either Gaunson or Sainsbury and then along Longmore to the roundabout with Rylah Cres. It's a bit of a gap when there's no service for the portion of Longmore from the shops up to Sainsbury, and no service on Sainsbury either. (Or Gaunson)
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Ed on September 14, 2013, 11:35:55 pm
QuoteHoping they don't tinker with it at all even after community consultation. Still not sold on the idea of employing experts to design a network then get people who know nothing about transport to put their two cents in.


Most people that utilize the network know nothing about public transport operations. But not giving them a chance to put in feedback/opinion/suggestions/recommendations, is, in my opinion, bordering on being a gc.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: ajw373 on September 15, 2013, 08:22:07 am
Quote from: Ed on September 14, 2013, 11:35:55 pm
Most people that utilize the network know nothing about public transport operations. But not giving them a chance to put in feedback/opinion/suggestions/recommendations, is, in my opinion, bordering on being a gc.


You sound like you used to work in the railways. You know the old story about how they used to say that if it wasn't for the passengers they could run the perfect system.

Whilst those that USE the system may have no idea about operations, I bet they are the ones who know exactly what they want and what they need. It is then up to the route planners to BALANCE the wants and needs of the passengers with operational and budgetary realities.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Ed on September 15, 2013, 09:24:40 am
QuoteWhilst those that USE the system may have no idea about operations, I bet they are the ones who know exactly what they want and what they need. It is then up to the route planners to BALANCE the wants and needs of the passengers with operational and budgetary realities.


Hence I think you may have misread my second sentence. The passengers are indeed the ones that know exactly what they want and need. That was the point I was trying to put across.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: ajw373 on September 15, 2013, 11:44:52 am
Quote from: Ed on September 15, 2013, 09:24:40 am
Hence I think you may have misread my second sentence. The passengers are indeed the ones that know exactly what they want and need. That was the point I was trying to put across.


That is good to hear, still not sure how your post says that, but will take your word for it.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Barry Drive on September 15, 2013, 02:34:04 pm
Quote from: ajw373 on September 15, 2013, 11:44:52 am
That is good to hear, still not sure how your post says that, but will take your word for it.


Quote from: Ed on September 14, 2013, 11:35:55 pm
But not giving them a chance to put in feedback/opinion/suggestions/recommendations, is, in my opinion, bordering on being a gc.

You need to speak "Ed" to understand what he meant: "a gc" in this context refers to a person undertaking deceitful conduct. No literal translation will be posted here.

Quote from: Buzz Killington on September 14, 2013, 05:34:58 pm
I'm finding it odd that the 163 and 171 (what's with that route number?) take the same path through Wanniassa.

I would divert one of those up either Gaunson or Sainsbury and then along Longmore to the roundabout with Rylah Cres. It's a bit of a gap when there's no service for the portion of Longmore from the shops up to Sainsbury, and no service on Sainsbury either. (Or Gaunson)

I was wondering the same thing. I'm guessing that this route proves popular on weekends and they think it better to run routes that way 7 days. Upon closer examination: 163 & 171 are both proposed to have 60 min off-peak frequency (despite the 11 currently being 30 min) - so this would provide this corridor with a 30 minute frequency. I think it may work better by restoring 171 to 30 min and running it down Longmore and swapping for the 65 along Langdon (with a 60 min frequency). Also both 61 and 64 can service Longmore from Atkins to Sainsbury - I doubt this would add much time to either route.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: The Love Guru on September 15, 2013, 05:00:03 pm
Beside the numbering fail in Wanniassa, I think the routes aren't too bad. They are trying to build a common corridor through the suburb rather than having the routes scattered all over the place. Same thing is being done in Mitchell where the routes are being aligned to a common route.

On the community consultation bit, very little constructive comes from it as everyone wants a bus that goes from their front door their destination at the time they want it. Generally it is referred to as a taxi, but if you can get the government to pay for it well its a better deal. As transport enthusiasts we are in a different position as generally we have a much greater understanding of the network than the average Joe. To the common person, the bus ceases to exist past their stop on the route and the bus going anywhere other than where they want to get to is seen as inconvenience. There is context of suburb or route coverage, it's just human nature.
Title: Network 2014
Post by: Bus 400 on September 16, 2013, 06:18:09 am
For those of you not on Twitter, this is what the Route 88 thru Hume is proposed to look like. Appears it will be one big loop service & travel the wrong way down the Monaro Highway.
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/09/16/7upe3y2y.jpg)

I wonder who the target passengers are, as it only Hume has doubled in size in recent years. But it does service the main "retail" section of the suburb.

Of course it is better then what they've got now.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: manhinli on September 18, 2013, 07:49:28 pm
Went to the network community consultation in Gungahlin today.

The large whole network map was there (same as that at some central bus stops) and large A3 booklets of the maps/descriptions online.

Got confirmation that 25x series are definitely limited stops from Gungahlin south.

Pretty impressed by the knowledgeable people there.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Buzz Killington on September 18, 2013, 08:41:20 pm
Booklets, eh? Might have to pop along to one of the sessions!
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: The Love Guru on September 18, 2013, 08:49:51 pm
When they say limited stops, that wont be the same stopping pattern as the 200 has now. Due to there being no other services on Flemington Rd, all buses will be all stops at least as far as Mitchell, and quite possibly all the way to Dickson. Same will happen on the other end of the 200 with the 80 being removed, It will have to be all stops from the old Kingston depot.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: manhinli on September 18, 2013, 10:30:40 pm
Quote from: Buzz Killington on September 18, 2013, 08:41:20 pm
Booklets, eh? Might have to pop along to one of the sessions!

They're large enough that they work well as a hanging calendar or poster...
(http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/3143/izx7.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/708/izx7.jpg/)

Quote from: The Love Guru on September 18, 2013, 08:49:51 pm
When they say limited stops, that wont be the same stopping pattern as the 200 has now. Due to there being no other services on Flemington Rd, all buses will be all stops at least as far as Mitchell, and quite possibly all the way to Dickson. Same will happen on the other end of the 200 with the 80 being removed, It will have to be all stops from the old Kingston depot.

While I didn't ask specifically, the guy did say that I could transfer at EPIC and use the 56, 57, 58 down Northbourne, so there should still be stops served from Mitchell down by the other routes.

For the southern end, you're right - they've still got stops to service down there...
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Buzz Killington on September 22, 2013, 10:03:47 am
Will anybody be submitting formal feedback?
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Bus 400 on September 30, 2013, 09:25:47 pm
I've submitted a couple of things.

Woden Community Council will be discussing the revised ACTION Network at their monthly meeting on Wednesday at 19:30, at the Hellenic Club.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Barry Drive on October 05, 2013, 10:44:43 pm
Someone in Amaroo is clearly not happy. A notice has been posted to nearly every stop along the 59 route, presumably complaining about the loss of a connection to Belconnen.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: The Love Guru on October 05, 2013, 11:49:49 pm
If you want a direct bus to Belconnen then don't live in Gungahlin. Maybe I should complain that I don't get a direct Gungahlin service from my Belconnen suburb.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Bus 400 on October 10, 2013, 07:34:07 pm
Maybe Crace residents should complain because they've lost their link to the Gungahlin Lakes Club.

On a side note to the Weston Creek Xpresso's, it will be sad for the current users of the 729. As whenever I've been on either the 17:15 service, it seems like a close nit group with most talking to each other.

Also the Southside Chronicle has a piece of another part of the Network 14 under consideration.it can be found at http://canberra.realviewtechnologies.com/ipad/?index=soindex.djvu#folio=13
This looks like a good idea & something like the Tuggie bus might work with this.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: belcodriver on October 14, 2013, 09:00:20 pm
Quote from: The Love Guru on October 05, 2013, 11:49:49 pm
If you want a direct bus to Belconnen then don't live in Gungahlin. Maybe I should complain that I don't get a direct Gungahlin service from my Belconnen suburb.


It's hardly unreasonable that Gungahlin suburbs on the side closer to Belconnen get buses there given that there is very little employment in Gungahlin. Most of Tuggeranong has services to Woden.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Bus 400 on December 07, 2013, 03:28:48 pm
The Weston Creek Community Council response can be found at http://www.wccc.com.au/wccc/index.php/main/wccc-submission-on-the-action. My main point for showing this here is the bit that states:

Quote
Council is also concerned that the routing of Route 27 is trying to cover both Route 27 and 75 and so leaves parts of Waramanga and the Fisher shops without a service close by.


Now for those of us that saved the files onto our computers, the proposal clearly shows the 27 going right past Fisher Shops. The only way the bus could get closer is if it went into the Fisher Shops loop/carpark. While the bit of Waramanga that won't be covered under the proposed Network 2014 is barely serviced as it is now.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Bus 400 on January 24, 2014, 08:15:10 am
A bit of news on Network 14, http://m.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/all-change-action-overhauled-delayed-as-planners-start-again-20140123-31bzt.html
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: The Love Guru on January 24, 2014, 08:31:07 am
The network will never succeed in being streamlined if the continue to offer connections for here to everywhere. Lyneham to Dickson I can understand and is well patronised. Fawkner Street in Braddon is really poorly patronised and penalises commuters on the route 7 (currently, possibly 39 in new network) by having to not only fight through narrow streets that aren't really bus suitable, then try and make their way around the cluster f*** that is the front of the Canberra Centre. I think this diversion over the proposed direct route to the city will cost commuters close to 10 minutes every trip, to service stops that really don't need the service fulltime. Perhaps a better option is divert certain services (every 2 hours 9am-3pm) via Fawkner St.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Barry Drive on January 24, 2014, 09:01:29 am
Still aiming for July 2014. Which means they have at most 2 months to finish the routes and timetables before releasing the shifts.

Totally agree that Fawkner St is a PIA. Not only is it a time waster, but at night cars are often illegally parked. I hope they consider my suggested compromise of Mort St, Elourea St, Torrens St.

(Unlikely to be 39 - might go back to 7 or perhaps 31.)
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: smitho on January 24, 2014, 08:06:40 pm
Quote from: The Love Guru on January 24, 2014, 08:31:07 am
The network will never succeed in being streamlined if the continue to offer connections for here to everywhere. Lyneham to Dickson I can understand and is well patronised. Fawkner Street in Braddon is really poorly patronised and penalises commuters on the route 7 (currently, possibly 39 in new network) by having to not only fight through narrow streets that aren't really bus suitable, then try and make their way around the cluster f*** that is the front of the Canberra Centre. I think this diversion over the proposed direct route to the city will cost commuters close to 10 minutes every trip, to service stops that really don't need the service fulltime. Perhaps a better option is divert certain services (every 2 hours 9am-3pm) via Fawkner St.


I drove a peak period No 7 for a few years and even then, Fawkner St generated VERY little patronage.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Bus 400 on January 24, 2014, 09:01:04 pm
How about sending the 9 up there going in the opposite direction? As I see this route having night services cut.
If you wanted to be clever, you could even start the 9 at the Canberra Centre stop & continue around to City Bus Station. But to get some ideas around this issue. May I suggest looking at bus networks from when Braddon was being developed.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Barry Drive on January 31, 2014, 12:27:51 pm
Make of it what you want: the new GTFS file goes up to the end of School Holidays term 2 (20 July 2014).
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: smitho on January 31, 2014, 02:29:09 pm
Quote from: ACTbusspotter on January 31, 2014, 12:27:51 pm
Make of it what you want: the new GTFS file goes up to the end of School Holidays term 2 (20 July 2014).


This is consistent with a well informed tip that the Shift Pick is likely to occur in June.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Barry Drive on February 23, 2014, 11:28:17 am
Another teaser for Network '14: Minister Rattenbury has issued a media release (http://actbus.net/more-services-to-triangle/) stating that under Network 14 ("due for implementation in the middle of this year"), there will be 602 trips each weekday servicing the Parliamentary Triangle as compared to 492 in the current network.

QuoteThis will see Parliamentary Triangle service frequency increase to between one to seven minutes (rather than one to twelve minutes in the current network) in the morning peak and increase to between one to ten minutes in the afternoon peak (rather than one to fifteen minutes in the current network).

^ Huh?

Leaving aside the questions (for the moment) as to whether there is actually need for more trips (as opposed to a perceived need for more), and whether said trips will match passenger needs (time and destination wise), it shows that the construction of timetables for N14 is well underway, if not completed.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: The Love Guru on February 23, 2014, 12:11:50 pm
Running more buses is not the answer to improving patronage. How about running them to where people want to go and not have every service getting caught up in the traffic chaos in the city. Might be time to test Barton direct services from Belconnen and Gungahlin without going thru the City
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: ajw373 on February 24, 2014, 07:57:16 am
Quote from: The Love Guru on February 23, 2014, 12:11:50 pm
Running more buses is not the answer to improving patronage. How about running them to where people want to go and not have every service getting caught up in the traffic chaos in the city. Might be time to test Barton direct services from Belconnen and Gungahlin without going thru the City


True, and how about some better co-ordination.

Case in point now my wife has sold her car, so 3 days a week I now get the bus from Dunlop to Barton. The best bus for me is the 703 that leaves Fraser West at 7:03, though of course this and the following 703 only go as far as the City. That of course means a change in Civic. The 703 is scheduled to arrive at 7:46, 1 minute behind the 7:10 from Belconnen which gets to Platform 10 at 7:45. In the two weeks I have been doing this I have been lucky, that on 2 occasions the 703 was early (or the 710 late) so have got the connection, but failing that it is a 14 minute wait for the next 700 series and about the same for a 200. Now sure there may be some other services in between but who remembers them all, where they leave from and their time.

The simple solution would of course get the 710 leave 5 minutes later, or not have those two 703 services in the morning terminate in the city.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: The Love Guru on February 24, 2014, 09:23:33 am
No issue in the new network, the last plan I saw had no 703 or equivalent. Just catch your standard route service with a 7 infront of the numbers and it will go so far then direct to the city. Hardly demand responsive to do it this way, but then they are just dumbing it down for all the people out there who can't remember 2 numbers.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: ajw373 on February 24, 2014, 09:32:01 am
Yeah saw that it becomes the 743. Though gets back to your point above about direct services, this change will mean going through Kippax, Belconnen and the City plus a change. So will add at least another 10-15 minutes to the journey, which even at present is still 1 hour 10 minutes, Vs a 25 minute drive (at 7am)
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Barry Drive on February 24, 2014, 10:01:55 am
No, the planned 743 will skip Belconnen: travels to City and Barton via Kingsford Smith & Belconnen Way. It won't travel via Kippax either, just the Park & Ride stop on Southern Cross Drive.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: ajw373 on February 24, 2014, 10:10:31 am
Yeah, your right, I was thinking of the 343. Just hope all 743's continue onto Barton, as opposed to 3 out of the 5 703's at present. Same in the reverse direction in the afternoon too, and both times when I would want to use it the most!
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Barry Drive on February 24, 2014, 11:14:31 am
Too late now, but that is the kind of feedback ACTION would have liked. (Not that they necessarily would have delivered what you need though.)
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: ajw373 on February 24, 2014, 11:27:42 am
I did provide feedback.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Barry Drive on February 24, 2014, 05:14:54 pm
Good. I didn't mean to imply you didn't - but I did mean to imply that ACTION needs people to tell them their connections are sometimes inadequate (to put it politely).
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: ajw373 on February 24, 2014, 06:14:46 pm
You would think Myway should be able to do that better!
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Snorzac on February 24, 2014, 07:30:05 pm
Unfortunately the concept of a connection is a thing few people see as worth while in Canberra, the mentality seems to be that even if it's gonna take longer by staying on the same bus when I could get a different one and beat it by a good 20min, I'll stay on the one I'm already on.

A prime example of this is he passengers that catch the 313 I used to get every morning, it connected almost perfectly with both the 705 and 749 but the pax going to Woden and Tuggeranong , out of the 20 or so I think one would transfer onto the 705!
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Buzz Killington on February 24, 2014, 08:22:33 pm
Quote from: ajw373 on February 24, 2014, 06:14:46 pm
You would think Myway should be able to do that better!


It probably does, but Captain Skybed might have a good point. It might be a case of 'why bother with connections if only a minority use them'

That said, the timing on the 749 and 705 Xpressos aren't the greatest. The last 749 leaves Belco just after 8am, for example.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: smitho on February 24, 2014, 09:41:29 pm
Whole point of ACTION when it was first envisaged was that it was a Network (hence, the "N" in ACTION) designed around a frequently serviced, rapid intertown spine route, supplemented by fairly frequent suburban (or local) route services feeding into key interchange points, known as "interchanges" with easy connections.

The original ACTION logo design was intended to reflect this intention.

Changes in the way ACTION operates following the advent of self-government have reduced the primacy of the intertown services by introducing additional stops on the Intertown (Blue "Rapid"), and re-routing in Belconnen (and in Tuggeranong on weekends) which have slowed intertown services considerably. Added to this, reductions in suburban route frequencies have compromised the connectability of the network.

This in turn brought on the need for more direct commuter expresses / Xpressos during peak periods.     
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Bus 400 on February 25, 2014, 06:31:00 pm
I've also noticed that Canberran's will catch the first bus that heads in their direction. Rather then risk an hour or two wait for my specific bus route.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: King of Buses on April 26, 2014, 04:50:20 pm
One of the drivers I know mentioned the other day that one confirmed thing for the new network is the 319 going along Forsythe/Paperbark. I don't know where he found that out though, seeing as not much is actually confirmed (including the start date/shift pick).
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Buzz Killington on April 26, 2014, 08:40:58 pm
Nothing has been publicly confirmed. I suspect that the new network would be in the final stages of planning at the moment, which would explain why drivers (and we) are starting to hear bits and pieces.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Barry Drive on April 26, 2014, 09:08:41 pm
The details of Network 12 were released just over 2 months before implementation. So if the rumoured start date of 7 July is to be achieved, the details will need to be released publicly within the next week.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: The Love Guru on April 26, 2014, 10:33:45 pm
Timetables will not be available until 2 weeks prior to implementation.
I expect shifts and network details to be available to staff within the next couple of weeks
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Barry Drive on April 27, 2014, 01:34:16 pm
Agreed. But, if they follow the same script as last time, the route structure will be announced first - possibly this week.

A GTFS file should also be released prior to the printed timetables.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Barry Drive on April 28, 2014, 07:24:36 pm
ACTION are holding information sessions for Parliamentary Zone commuters this week, starting tomorrow. Can't imagine doing that unless details of Network 14 are going to be available.

Watch this space.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Bus 400 on May 02, 2014, 11:49:16 pm
It has been finished (mind you back in March)!

The Weston Creek Community Council have put the minutes up from their meeting back at the end of March on their website. See page 2 at http://www.wccc.com.au/Pages/meetings.php

By the looks of things, the 705 proposal is staying as is the 83.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: aidenh37 on May 16, 2014, 02:49:12 pm
Yay 313 goes direct to kippax then belconnen. Much more better for more people.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Barry Drive on May 21, 2014, 02:24:34 pm
It's now mid May, and still nothing. Wonder if they're investigating further cuts due to possible Budget shortfalls.

ACT Budget should be in early June - may not know anything before then.

Earliest possible start now August, although there are some suggestions it won't now commence until Term 4 (October).
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: smitho on May 21, 2014, 07:22:25 pm
Quote from: ACTbusspotter on May 21, 2014, 02:24:34 pm
It's now mid May, and still nothing. Wonder if they're investigating further cuts due to possible Budget shortfalls.

ACT Budget should be in early June - may not know anything before then.

Earliest possible start now August, although there are some suggestions it won't now commence until Term 4 (October).


Traffic shortfalls may be an issue too, depending on whether or not the reduction in patronage arising from public service cuts is offset by patronage growth due to paid parking and increasing petrol prices.

I suspect ACTION patronage has been feeling the effect of APS cuts for at least the past year, as the Rudd/Gillard government cuts were displacing casual, junior and short term contract staff...often the kind of people who use ACTION for trips to work
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: King of Buses on May 21, 2014, 08:02:22 pm
Quote from: ACTbusspotter on May 21, 2014, 02:24:34 pm
It's now mid May, and still nothing. Wonder if they're investigating further cuts due to possible Budget shortfalls.

ACT Budget should be in early June - may not know anything before then.

Earliest possible start now August, although there are some suggestions it won't now commence until Term 4 (October).


According to ManOfACTION, the next shift spill is in October.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: smitho on May 21, 2014, 08:42:41 pm
Quote from: King of Buses on May 21, 2014, 08:02:22 pm
According to ManOfACTION, the next shift spill is in October.


Present indications are:-
most likely to be spill & picks in August/September -  to allow start-up of new network at the beginning of the ACT's 4th school term in early October.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Barry Drive on May 26, 2014, 11:08:57 am
Recent news coverage about Network 14: "School bus services [to be] reduced" (http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/school-bus-services-reduced-20140523-zrmle.html)

Mentions school bus services will be reduced from 300 to 240 "after the mid-year holidays", but doesn't give an actual start date or details of which services will be affected.

In what could be a giant beat-up "17 school services have been redesigned to become a connecting service to a bus station to transfer to a school dedicated service;" with comment of how unsuitable it would be for young children to be forced to use busy public bus interchanges. This is despite not being of aware of which services may be changed and ignoring the fact that many school services already transport primary school children to "interchanges" (such as from Orana school).
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: King of Buses on May 26, 2014, 01:33:18 pm
Does this mean that some routes will take the "Sydney" approach and extend services to Schools?
One possible one is the 318 and 319 and they could service all the Lanyon Valley Schools in lieu of the 525 or 583.

But this won't go down well at all...
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Barry Drive on May 26, 2014, 01:53:47 pm
Since nothing has been released, it's hard to say what will or won't happen. But some routes divert into schools now: 43 to Macgregor Primary, 45 to Mount Rogers (Melba ), 51 to John Paul College & 318? to Covenant College.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Buzz Killington on June 02, 2014, 09:14:30 pm
ACTION confirmed on Twitter that services will operate along Plimsoll Drive, Casey in Network '14
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: The Love Guru on June 03, 2014, 07:28:35 am
Correct. We have route directions but no maps as yet. Unable to comment further until the network is made public.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Barry Drive on June 06, 2014, 01:45:32 pm
New ACTION GTFS file was released yesterday: now goes up to 29 August 2014. Not that that necessarily means anything.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: King of Buses on June 06, 2014, 04:23:31 pm
Have any drivers heard anything yet about it? Because if not, we can rule out next term.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Bus 400 on June 08, 2014, 09:12:50 pm
A few more information has been released from the Weston Creek Community Council. With routes 25/725 being modified through Duffy, 26/726 modified through Rivett & Chapman & the 27 modified through Stirling. Then a few new Xpresso's & times (http://www.wccc.com.au/Pages/meetings.php). But as mentioned previously the Wright bus will replace the 28.

Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Skitube on June 09, 2014, 12:14:33 am
Quote from: Bus 400 on June 08, 2014, 09:12:50 pm
With routes 25/725 being modified through Duffy


this one doesn't surprise me, it was said at belco info session that they wanted to combine 25 and 28, especially around Renmark and Eucumbene since that part is very hilly... wouldn't surprise me if 26 and 27 are modified for the same reason
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Bus 400 on June 13, 2014, 03:35:53 pm
School services are to change next term. More details will be given about the school changes in Week 10. Not having a school aged relation (in ACT anyway). I have no idea when week 10 is.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: King of Buses on June 15, 2014, 04:56:32 pm
This upcoming week is week 8, so two weeks.

It will require shift changes (drivers are picking now I think), so why don't they rearrange the entire thing together including those hideous weekend routes ::). Besides, if they don't do it soon it won't be network '14...
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: vnguyen on June 15, 2014, 05:28:31 pm
Will the weekend routes also be fixed in the new network?

I hope the 935 and 938 get even timings to Manuka.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: King of Buses on June 15, 2014, 06:49:06 pm
I hope, but I doubt it,

besides, we are all still waiting for phase two of Network '08 to come and align weekday and weekend routes!
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Bus 400 on June 15, 2014, 07:35:03 pm
There was a funding boost for weekend improvements. With guaranteed time changes in Gungahlin & Weston Creek/Molonglo, time changes are expected elsewhere.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: King of Buses on June 20, 2014, 06:30:41 pm
Apparently ACTION will be at the Calwell Park 'n' Ride tommorow (not sure on times). ::)

http://www.action.act.gov.au/news/news_articles/action-at-calwell-park-and-ride,-saturday-21-june (http://www.action.act.gov.au/news/news_articles/action-at-calwell-park-and-ride,-saturday-21-june)

It seems that they will have information on 'new' bus services. Not sure if that means network '14 or just the services now servicing Calwell Park'n'ride. A bus will be there too for those wishing to take cameras...
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Bus 400 on June 20, 2014, 07:27:58 pm
A good bus enthusiasts always carries a camera. Otherwise you'll get what I get on my drive to work every so often. Where the buses you want to snap are going the opposite direction.  Or you're catching up to them at 90-110k/hr.

On an on topic point, it's on from 1000 to 1400, see  https://www.allclassifieds.com.au/garage-sales-events/markets-sales/sat-21-jun-2014-car-boot-sale-market-calwell-park/ad42ff71e147b61e45c9a3679e85ab5e5579
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: vnguyen on August 01, 2014, 10:55:50 am
Looks like the new network is starting on the 1st of September for weekdays routes and the 6th for weekend routes.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: King of Buses on August 01, 2014, 04:33:28 pm
I've heard that Sept 1 may not happen as the shifts put out a week or two ago were withdrawn because of the unions not being happy with the shifts.

Also, as a sidenote, I've noticed that some work is going on in Banks on Wiburd St. It may be bus stop pads or just footpath maintenance. I can't be sure when on an artic powering down Pockett Ave
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: The Love Guru on August 01, 2014, 07:03:28 pm
There is a dispute between the TWU and ACTION management in regards to the new shifts and their compliance with the EBA. The matter has been lodged with the Fair Work Commissioner and there is due to be a hearing later next week. The outcome of the hearing, along with any negotiations undertaken between the parties will determine whether the new network will start on the advertised date of September 1.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Barry Drive on August 03, 2014, 01:05:10 pm
The latest reports are that the FWC hearing won't be until late August - which means the shift pick and new network will commence as advertised (albeit under protest from TWU). The outcome from the hearing could result in new shifts, but they would need time to be constructed.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Bus 400 on August 03, 2014, 06:55:51 pm
You'll probably only keep the shifts for a month or so.............
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: The Love Guru on August 03, 2014, 09:05:38 pm
Just like the current non-compliant shifts! 3 months they said, 27 months is the reality. I'm wondering if a class action against ACTION is possible for employees who have been forced to work in conditions that breach the EBA.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: 743 on August 04, 2014, 04:42:02 pm
Details on the new school network are available at http://www.action.act.gov.au/school_services/school_service_changes (http://www.action.act.gov.au/school_services/school_service_changes).

In addition to listings by school of what have changed, there are new maps for every school service, plus maps of regular routes have been put up where a regular route in some way replaces a current school service - which appears to be most of the new routes, but not all.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: vnguyen on August 04, 2014, 05:00:44 pm
There are some routes missing like route 6. So I'm guessing the rest will be uploades in two weeks time.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Barry Drive on August 04, 2014, 06:16:27 pm
Route 6 has been replaced by 4 (south) and 1 (north). The only missing maps are 26-726 & 44-744 AFAIK.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Buzz Killington on August 04, 2014, 08:26:23 pm
Quote from: ACTbusspotter on August 04, 2014, 06:16:27 pm
Route 6 has been replaced by 4 (south) and 1 (north). The only missing maps are 26-726 & 44-744 AFAIK.


705 & 749 are missing too, although that's understandable given they have no 'regular route' equivalent.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: King of Buses on August 04, 2014, 08:56:55 pm
202 - Gungahlin to City DIRECT - No stops?

I wonder if this idea will work well. If so, it may be worth extending such services to Tuggeranong and that.
I believe its an AM Peak ONLY service too.

From observation of the 2,3,4,5 maps, I saw no sign of Gold Line/Green Line stuff...

Also to be honest, the streamlining thing hasn't work on all runs (I'm looking at the 4 in particular)
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Snorzac on August 04, 2014, 09:25:58 pm
I'm a little concerned about over crowding on the 314...the 314 is a busy run as it is as are the stops through Scullin and Page.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Buzz Killington on August 04, 2014, 09:44:33 pm
The 13/313 look considerably faster now that the 14/314 are servicing Scullin and Page, which looks like it will take a fair bit longer.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Buzz Killington on August 04, 2014, 09:52:30 pm
http://files.transport.act.gov.au/net14_regular_services/network14_51-251-52-252.pdf

Note the reference to 'Page 20' - presumably this confirms the release of a bus book.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Bus 400 on August 04, 2014, 10:08:20 pm
Quote from: Buzz Killington on August 04, 2014, 09:52:30 pm
......presumably this confirms the release of a bus book.


This is part of the NXTBUS rollout & luckily I suggested this for a number of reasons. These include for people without access to NXTBUS (oldies), tourists who want to see where to go. These books also are easier for MyWay agents to have on display. I think that's all the reasons I gave.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: ajw373 on August 04, 2014, 11:34:30 pm
Quote from: Buzz Killington on August 04, 2014, 09:44:33 pm
The 13/313 look considerably faster now that the 14/314 are servicing Scullin and Page, which looks like it will take a fair bit longer.


Mentioning the 313 it is interesting the path that it will take through Kippax and comparing it to the 343.  Basically the 313 is a one way loop through Kippax regardless of weather it is coming from Belconnen or Charnwood, specifically turning off Sourthern Cross drive left into Stark Street, through Kippax and out Moyes. Turning left to Charnwood and right to Belconnen. The 343 on the otherhand will turn left into Moyes through Kippax and out at Starke Charnwood bound and the reverse Belconnen bound.

Presumably the 313 is doing a loop to avoid the need to turn right out of Starke Street onto Southern Cross drive, something the 343 doesn't need to do, but you would have thought they might have made them do an identical path for consistency, especially as these two buses are now the only expresses from Belconnnen so should be doing a common route to Kippax at least. Minor I know but just odd. I also hope they time them to be 15 minutes apart through Kippax, not have them run 5 minutes apart twice an hour.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: King of Buses on August 05, 2014, 04:25:20 pm
Quote from: ajw373 on August 04, 2014, 11:34:30 pm
I also hope they time them to be 15 minutes apart through Kippax, not have them run 5 minutes apart twice an hour.


What, like the excellent frequency and gap between route 3 and 7 to the ANU?

God I hope they fixed that up too. As well as a 15 min frequency from Kippax to Belconnen with the 313/343.

It also seems the 300, 313 and 343 will be the only Blue Rapids during the offpeak - 14,15,18,19 for those used to the 314, 315, 318 and 319. Now, who else sees how stupid of an idea that is?

Seeing as I'm on the discussion of stupid ideas...look at the 21/22. I know its to avoid crossing the Hindmarsh/Launceston and then the Hindmarsh/Eggleston intersection, but it doesn't really achieve any sort of streamlining...
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: vnguyen on August 05, 2014, 05:29:09 pm
Is it me or does the new route 4 looks weird. Why can't they used the proposed route where it looks neater and not having it do a loop around Red Hill.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Bus 400 on August 05, 2014, 07:17:52 pm
Quote from: King of Buses on August 05, 2014, 04:25:20 pmIt also seems the 300, 313 and 343 will be the only Blue Rapids during the offpeak - 14,15,18,19 for those used to the 314, 315, 318 and 319. Now, who else sees how stupid of an idea that is?


Where do you get this idea from? Routes 314, 315, 318 & 319 are still shown on the route maps. We lost a Blue Rapid service with the 312 & we gained a Blue Rapid service with the 343.

Quote from: King of Buses on August 05, 2014, 04:25:20 pmSeeing as I'm on the discussion of stupid ideas...look at the 21/22. I know its to avoid crossing the Hindmarsh/Launceston and then the Hindmarsh/Eggleston intersection, but it doesn't really achieve any sort of streamlining...


The plan is to avoid buses having to quickly cross Hindmarsh Drive from uncontrolled intersections. In reality, buses on Routes 23/24/921/922 have to go straight into the far right lane after exiting either Lyons or Chifley. This avoids this, the 21/22 go around the back of (former?) Chifley Primary so that the buses can stop outside Chifley Shops.

Comparing the proposed & new route 4, the proposed route would of been a dog leg without producing any new passengers. The new route means less of Red Hill miss out of their bus service & potentially provides new stops.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: King of Buses on August 05, 2014, 07:27:18 pm
I've been talking to bus drivers who've read the shifts... That's how I know the 300, 313 and 343 will be the only ones in offpeak...
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Barry Drive on August 06, 2014, 11:52:23 am
Quote from: King of Buses on August 05, 2014, 04:25:20 pm
... As well as a 15 min frequency from Kippax to Belconnen with the 313/343.

It also seems the 300, 313 and 343 will be the only Blue Rapids during the offpeak - 14,15,18,19 for those used to the 314, 315, 318 and 319. Now, who else sees how stupid of an idea that is?

Stupid? Not entirely. What's stupid is the current system where what should be a 5 minute headway results in gaps of 2 min, 3 min then 9 min between services.

By using only 300, 313 & 343 during off peak, they can schedule the services to run at a consistent 7-8 min headway all day. Yes, that's right - 2 services every 15 mins instead of 3. On the positive side, this arrangement will ensure an even 15 gap to/from Kippax.

Why they chose to use 300 instead of the others though is a bit strange - 314, 315, 318 & 319 will now only operate during peaks (and 300 will do partial runs during peak as well).

But it gets stranger at night. (Wait until the timetables come out.)

Quote from: Buzz Killington on August 04, 2014, 08:26:23 pm
705 & 749 are missing too, although that's understandable given they have no 'regular route' equivalent.
Also the Woden Xpressos: 791 & 792, plus a new South Tuggeranong - City Xpresso: route 775
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: vnguyen on August 06, 2014, 12:02:26 pm
If the proposed route 6 being replaced by route 1 does that mean the are going to skip route 6? Or that the route doesn't serve any schools.

I also noticed quite a bit of Forrest doesn't have a reasonable bus service.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Barry Drive on August 06, 2014, 01:04:38 pm
Quote from: vnguyen on August 06, 2014, 12:02:26 pm
I also noticed quite a bit of Forrest doesn't have a reasonable bus service.
So 2 routes each operating every 30 minutes along National Circuit is not "a reasonable bus service"? Lots of (outer) suburbs of Canberra would quite like that level of service. Forrest will actually get a better service under Network 14. Not that I expect there will be much demand for it though.

Quote from: vnguyen on August 05, 2014, 05:29:09 pm
Is it me or does the new route 4 looks weird. Why can't they used the proposed route where it looks neater and not having it do a loop around Red Hill.
Route 4 may look weird, but it is a very elegant solution. It will enable Red Hill shops / Golden Grove to have a 30 minute frequency (instead of the current 60) while getting rid of the under-utilised Geoscience Australia diversion and the Monaro Cres / Arthur Circle / Murray Cres running which hardly ever attracted passengers.

I think the route may have worked better if it actually crossed-over itself rather than having to do a loop around Red Hill. Although that would have resulted in the stops swapping sides (if you know what I mean).
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Barry Drive on August 14, 2014, 12:57:05 pm
GTFS has just been released. Quite a few surprises in weekend network.

904, 905, 906, 907 re-routed - 904 runs through West Macgregor; 905 skips Page, Scullin; 906 run through John Cleland and Verbruggen (no service to Ratcliffe / Krefft); 907 services Page & Scullin.

930 & 931 replaced by 909 & 910 (same as 9 and 10)

921, 922, 923, 924, 925, 926, 927 & 983 same as weekday counterparts

912 & 915 renumbered as 918 and 919 and same as weekday version (as far as I can tell).

942 renumbered as 940

New 950 does Gung - City direct

951, 952, 954, 955, 956, 959 same as weekday counterparts; 958 current 952 from Gung - City.

971 replaces 912/915: runs Erindale to Tuggeranong along 71 route (connects with 900 at Erindale)

980 modified to match changes to 7 & 80 routes

981 matches weekday 81 route changes.


More info later.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Barry Drive on August 14, 2014, 01:16:30 pm
Need to recheck: 903 probably services Ratcliffe / Krefft since 905 will travel along Southern Cross.

So 902 = 12 and 906 = 15. That won't be confusing.

Also: 935 changed to match 4 through Kingston / Griffith /Red Hill - still runs along King Edward Tce and turns around at Narrabundah; no longer operates Tallara Parkway / Warramoo.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: King of Buses on August 14, 2014, 07:17:04 pm
Quote from: ACTbusspotter on August 14, 2014, 12:57:05 pm

912 & 915 renumbered as 918 and 919 and same as weekday version (as far as I can tell).

More info later.


I presume you mean 913/914 are now 918/919?

Also, what about the 939 and 988 (or whatever they may now be)?

At least most routes are now matching weekdays... :D
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Barry Drive on August 14, 2014, 07:33:51 pm
Yes: 913/914 now 918/919. 939 & 988 unchanged (although departure platform may vary - to be confirmed).

Correction: 954 not identical to 54 - travels Baldwin Dr rather than William Webb. With 952 servicing WWebb, not WSlim.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Bus 400 on August 14, 2014, 08:06:36 pm
Other changes include the 44 no longer servicing Nettlefold Street or Scullin & 775 from Lanyon to City via Monaro Highway.

The 918 & 919 are no longer loop services, I don't see a lot of potential in the 910 or 926.

Also the night owls will be upset, but I'll leave that one for Monday.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Barry Drive on August 14, 2014, 08:47:30 pm
910 should at least get War Memorial traffic. It will be more reliable than 930/931 as it will be a direct service every (?) hour. Have to check route to see if it bypasses Campbell Park. Also assume it won't run on Sat evening.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Skitube on August 14, 2014, 11:10:28 pm
775 Layon to City via Monaro Highway? isn't that just the present 788?
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Skitube on August 14, 2014, 11:21:11 pm
Quote from: ACTbusspotter on August 14, 2014, 01:16:30 pm
Need to recheck: 903 probably services Ratcliffe / Krefft since 905 will travel along Southern Cross.

So 902 = 12 and 906 = 15. That won't be confusing.

Also: 935 changed to match 4 through Kingston / Griffith /Red Hill - still runs along King Edward Tce and turns around at Narrabundah; no longer operates Tallara Parkway / Warramoo.


will 902 use aikman or coulter to come into belconnen?
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Barry Drive on August 15, 2014, 12:50:05 am
Quote from: Skitube on August 14, 2014, 11:10:28 pm
775 Layon to City via Monaro Highway? isn't that just the present 788?
No. For several reasons: 788 continues through Conder, Banks and Gordon (terminates at Gordon). 775 will be direct to/from Lanyon Market Place via Johnson Dr, stopping only along Tharwa Dr and Calwell Park & Ride (Johnson Dr). Then Monaro Hwy, Canberra Av, Wentworth Av etc.

Quote from: Skitube on August 14, 2014, 11:21:11 pm
will 902 use aikman or coulter to come into belconnen?
902 will = 12. So it will use Aikman Drive. Departs Cohen St Pl 2 & BCBS Pl 3.

To follow up previous entries: 903 will service Ratcliffle / Krefft before continuing to Latham, Holt, Macgregor (Florey Dr), Charnwood and Fraser. 910 will bypass Campbell Park and ADFA - travels direct to Majura Park along Limestone / Fairbairn.

Some non-aligned weekend services: 940 will still service Benjamin Way (despite 44 no longer stopping there during weekdays) with 980 servicing Hennessy St (but not Crisp Cct). 44 will short-cut Higgins by exiting onto Drake Brockman Dr using Cussen St, but 904 will still use Macnaughton St. And to keep the confusion going, 904 will not travel along Beaurepaire Cres - but 905 will.

There will be some City platform changes. 909, 910 and 935 will depart from 9 (932, 980 and 981 will continue to do so); 934 south will move back to platform 7; 940 will depart from Platform 5 (but 936 stays on 4).

For weekdays, Platform 2 routes (2 & 3) will move to Platform 7, joining the south-bound 4 & 5 routes and north-bound 7; 9, 10 & 11 will depart from Platform 9. Platform 4 will be used for the routes coming from Woden: 1, 2 & 3; with Platform 5 for 4 & 5 to City West, 7 to Museum as well as 8 to Dickson and 40 to Belconnen.

DISCLAIMER: All information is based on GTFS file which may not be 100% reliable. (There appear to be stops missing - or at least I hope they're missing.)
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: vnguyen on August 15, 2014, 12:52:59 am
Quote from: ACTbusspotter on August 14, 2014, 01:16:30 pm
Need to recheck: 903 probably services Ratcliffe / Krefft since 905 will travel along Southern Cross.

So 902 = 12 and 906 = 15. That won't be confusing.

Also: 935 changed to match 4 through Kingston / Griffith /Red Hill - still runs along King Edward Tce and turns around at Narrabundah; no longer operates Tallara Parkway / Warramoo.


The 935 still doing a loop around Narrabundah? I understand that the 938 still goes to Woden, but the 935 doesn't? By the way I hope the 938 & 9&5 are evenly timed apart (30 mins apart) to Manuka/Kingston.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Barry Drive on August 15, 2014, 01:22:15 am
Quote from: vnguyen on August 15, 2014, 12:52:59 am
The 935 still doing a loop around Narrabundah? I understand that the 938 still goes to Woden, but the 935 doesn't? By the way I hope the 938 & 9&5 are evenly timed apart (30 mins apart) to Manuka/Kingston.
Yes 935 will still be a loop. City - Parkes - Barton - Kingston - Griffith - Red Hill - Narrabundah and return.

As for timings - departure times from City are virtually unchanged: 938 at xx:47 and 935 at xx:56.

Coming back to City, bit more evenly spaced. At the Manuka (Captain Cook Cres) stop, 938 arrives xx:15 and 935 at xx:40 (Sat) or xx:37 (Sun).
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Skitube on August 15, 2014, 10:42:57 am
Quote from: ACTbusspotter on August 15, 2014, 12:50:05 am
For weekdays, Platform 2 routes (2 & 3) will move to Platform 7, joining the south-bound 4 & 5 routes and north-bound 7; 9, 10 & 11 will depart from Platform 9.


Northbound 7 depart from platform 9? how does 7 get from alinga street to platform 9, around the block to Rudd Street?
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Barry Drive on August 15, 2014, 12:38:16 pm
Do I need to set the semi-colon as bold?
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: vnguyen on August 15, 2014, 12:46:29 pm
I think he meant that northbound 7 will depart platform 7 and anything after the semi-colon will depart platform 9.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: vnguyen on August 15, 2014, 12:49:50 pm
Also what about the 934? And what will platform 2 be used for since the 2, 3 and 934 are moving to 7?
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Barry Drive on August 15, 2014, 01:16:49 pm
934 north unmoved (Pl 4). Platform 2 will go back to being used as overflow for Platform 1 / drop off. Not sure about new network, but Pl 1 can get crowded during afternoon peak.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Barry Drive on August 15, 2014, 01:32:44 pm
Quote from: ajw373 on August 04, 2014, 11:34:30 pm
The 343 on the otherhand will turn left into Moyes through Kippax and out at Starke Charnwood bound and the reverse Belconnen bound.
The map does show this, but the GTFS shows the Dunlop-bound 343/43 as Southern Cross, L Starke, L Luke, loop around Kippax then back onto Starke, L Southern Cross.

Towards Belconnen will travel via Flack and Moyes, turning right onto Southern Cross at Moyes St.

If correct, this means the unused stop on Moyes Cres will remain unused.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Barry Drive on August 16, 2014, 12:08:55 pm
Missed this one: route 1 south-bound also on Platform 7, City.

Route 900 will continue through Erindale unchanged. Others will change though: 961 will turn right onto McBryde, then Laurens St, and Taverner and through Oxley; 964 will use McBryde and Amsinck. 961 and 964 will now travel directly along Athllon Dr.

Platform changes will occur at Belconnen Community Bus Station as well. Platform 6 will cease to be used - 16 and 17 will move to Pl 5 (joining 44) and 43/343 will move to 4. 12 will now be on 3 since it starts from Cohen St. Weekends, 904 will move to 5 and 907 to 4.

Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: vnguyen on August 16, 2014, 02:28:59 pm
Any platform changes for Woden or Tuggeranong?
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Buzz Killington on August 17, 2014, 08:26:35 pm
The map (And timetable) for the 705 and 749 has been added to the Network 14 Routes page: http://files.transport.act.gov.au/net14_regular_services/network14_705-749.pdf
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Skitube on August 17, 2014, 09:23:19 pm
Quote from: ACTbusspotter on August 14, 2014, 12:57:05 pm

971 replaces 912/915: runs Erindale to Tuggeranong along 71 route (connects with 900 at Erindale)



No wonder i felt something weird about "971" all week, finally realised
1. isn't 971 a nightride number? what would happen to the nightride 971?
2. i wonder what would happen to Outtrim Ave on weekends, but we'll see tomorrow when everything's released
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Buzz Killington on August 18, 2014, 08:46:34 am
http://www.action.act.gov.au/news/news_articles/network-14-is-on-the-way!/
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Skitube on August 18, 2014, 09:42:14 am
quite interesting that 980 City-Railway is making a come back
more interestingly, 982 is kept
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: vnguyen on August 18, 2014, 09:50:18 am
It's it me or the new network is not up yet?  Can't see any routes or download any of the maps.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: vnguyen on August 18, 2014, 09:52:31 am
Nevermind it was my internet browsers. Just need to change it.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Skitube on August 18, 2014, 01:42:25 pm
Another thing I noticed in weekday network map, 792 will be travelling along Fairbairn and Northcott when going from Fairbairn Park to Russell, but via Morshead in the other direction. I haven't seen the route map yet because the website keeps on telling me "page not found"...
I wonder if it's a mistake or there's something in the timetable that might explain this
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: 743 on August 18, 2014, 02:38:37 pm
Quote from: Skitube on August 18, 2014, 01:42:25 pm
Another thing I noticed in weekday network map, 792 will be travelling along Fairbairn and Northcott when going from Fairbairn Park to Russell, but via Morshead in the other direction. I haven't seen the route map yet because the website keeps on telling me "page not found"...
I wonder if it's a mistake or there's something in the timetable that might explain this

Allows a common PM pick up point for 791/792 at Russell for travel to Woden, otherwise one would be stopping north of Kings Ave and the other south of it. Doesn't matter in the morning as people are getting off.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: vnguyen on August 18, 2014, 04:57:20 pm
How does finishing buses early allowing it for more daytime routes/buses?
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Skitube on August 18, 2014, 05:16:49 pm
Quote from: vnguyen on August 18, 2014, 04:57:20 pm
How does finishing buses early allowing it for more daytime routes/buses?


the cost of running buses redistributed from night to daytime, that's all there is pretty much
as far as i can see, 51 and 52 got a boost, new 250, new 725/726/783 replace 729, etc
However I have to say it is really stupid that the last run of most weekday services finish around 10pm, and pathetic on weekends on some routes
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: The Love Guru on August 18, 2014, 06:53:28 pm
I don't see any real additional daytime off peak services, only the odd peak service. As there hasn't been an increase in fleet size peak runs are merely are redistribution of resources. Was a nice way to reduce services and costs whilst making out its better for everyone!
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Bus 400 on August 18, 2014, 08:44:15 pm
I can see the 62 lost a service, this happens every network so no change there.

But the Blue Rapids look to have been cut back in the middle of the day from every 2-8 minutes to every 6-8 minutes.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Skitube on August 18, 2014, 09:46:13 pm
Quote from: Bus 400 on August 18, 2014, 08:44:15 pm
I can see the 62 lost a service, this happens every network so no change there.

But the Blue Rapids look to have been cut back in the middle of the day from every 2-8 minutes to every 6-8 minutes.


sure has, in other words, from 12 buses an hour to 8, the pattern is 313-300-343-300 within one half hour
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Gadgets on August 18, 2014, 09:50:01 pm
as they have stuffed with the 43 route my kids will no longer be able to get to or from school grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Skitube on August 19, 2014, 09:52:27 am
anybody knows what happens to a 971 once it terminates at Erindale? does it stay there for like 40 mins and return to Tuggeranong as 971? maybe dead run back to tuggeranong?
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: vnguyen on August 19, 2014, 10:14:21 am
Would it be better if the 83/983 services Lyons better rather than the 21 & 22/921 & 922?
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Barry Drive on August 19, 2014, 11:13:25 am
Quote from: The Love Guru on August 18, 2014, 06:53:28 pm
I don't see any real additional daytime off peak services, only the odd peak service. As there hasn't been an increase in fleet size peak runs are merely are redistribution of resources. Was a nice way to reduce services and costs whilst making out its better for everyone!
Agreed. From what I can see, only two routes have gained additional off-peak frequency: 43/343 has gone from hourly to half-hourly and 250 run every 20 minutes, which has effectively replaced 56 & 59 which each ran hourly.

But weekday trips have increased 10%! (refer Media Release (http://actbus.net/n14-starts-1-sep/)) How did this occur? Because several routes were split: 10 becomes 40, 10 & 11; 56 becomes 56 & 250; 58 becomes 54 & 58; and also because 314, 315, 318 & 319 ceased operating as Blue Rapid services during the day and were replaced by 300 plus 14, 15, 18 & 19.

Quote from: Skitube on August 19, 2014, 09:52:27 am
anybody knows what happens to a 971 once it terminates at Erindale? does it stay there for like 40 mins and return to Tuggeranong as 971? maybe dead run back to tuggeranong?
Too soon to know yet, but most likely will dead run to Tuggeranong or Woden.

Quote from: vnguyen on August 19, 2014, 10:14:21 am
Would it be better if the 83/983 services Lyons better rather than the 21 & 22/921 & 922?
Better for whom? If you extend the 83 to run via Burnie St, Launceston St then Devonport St, this will provide a better service to Lyons but will increase the travel time to Wright. IMO when providing bus services to new suburbs, they should be as direct as possible.

I don't know if there's an ideal solution. An alternative I've been contemplating is to run route 2 through Lyons before/after Curtin.

Quote from: vnguyen on August 16, 2014, 02:28:59 pm
Any platform changes for Woden or Tuggeranong?
Tuggeranong: only changes to match new weekend routes (918, 919, 971) with their weekday equivalents.

Woden: several changes - 71/171 moves to 12 (11/111 was on 11); 2 and 932 move to 14 (732 stays on 4); 83, 983 will depart from 16.

Also changes at Cohen St: 45 will move to 2 and 43/343 will move to 6. On weekends 932 will move to 1, 980 to 2 and 907 to 6.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: vnguyen on August 19, 2014, 11:28:10 am
Also why didn't ACTION put the bus stations map like the have done the past few times showing which bus departs from each platform?
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Barry Drive on August 19, 2014, 11:35:01 am
^They have. Maps are in the bus books. I expect the website maps will get updated later.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Bus 400 on August 19, 2014, 12:25:07 pm
Route 2 will be increased to a 20 minute frequency, up from 30. Route 40 becomes 30 minute frequency,  up from 60 minutes.

But we also have the 71,73,74,75,76,77 cut from off peak running.  Surely this would bring the percentage down, if only a tad.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Skitube on August 19, 2014, 12:35:14 pm
Quote from: Bus 400 on August 19, 2014, 12:25:07 pm
Route 2 will be increased to a 20 minute frequency, up from 30. Route 40 becomes 30 minute frequency,  up from 60 minutes.

But we also have the 71,73,74,75,76,77 cut from off peak running.  Surely this would bring the percentage down, if only a tad.


the 10 currently runs every 30 mins, so no boost changing from 10 to 40
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Skitube on August 19, 2014, 12:36:07 pm
Quote from: ACTbusspotter on August 19, 2014, 11:13:25 am
Agreed. From what I can see, only two routes have gained additional off-peak frequency: 43/343 has gone from hourly to half-hourly and 250 run every 20 minutes, which has effectively replaced 56 & 59 which each ran hourly.

But weekday trips have increased 10%! (refer Media Release (http://actbus.net/n14-starts-1-sep/)) How did this occur? Because several routes were split: 10 becomes 40, 10 & 11; 56 becomes 56 & 250; 58 becomes 54 & 58; and also because 314, 315, 318 & 319 ceased operating as Blue Rapid services during the day and were replaced by 300 plus 14, 15, 18 & 19.


51 and 52 got boosts, up from 60 mins to 30 mins
45 got quite a cut
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: vnguyen on August 20, 2014, 12:15:14 am
In the bus book it shows Platform 1 at Woden Bus Station as Flexilink services. What is this service? As I have never seen it before
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: 743 on August 20, 2014, 07:49:59 pm
Work appears to be under way on converting the old Dickson Terminus (on Majura Ave, opposite Officer Cres) back in to a bus stop. It will be used by school Route 684.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: King of Buses on August 21, 2014, 07:35:41 pm
If one looks closely at the map of Tuggeranong Bus Station in the weekday bus book, they will notice the 18/318 leave Platform 7 (even though the timetable says Platform 4).

Also, the 19/319 seem to in Conder and Banks, leave Lanyon, take 11 mins to travel along Box Hill to Conder PS, then 2 mins to Saint Clare of Assisi via Pockett, Forsythe etc.

So based of those times, does it mean it operates clockwise or anti-clockwise on northbound journeys? The maps says Anticlockwise but times say differently.

Could someone please clarify as I use these fairly frequently...
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Buzz Killington on August 21, 2014, 09:16:07 pm
Northbound = anticlockwise.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: smitho on August 21, 2014, 10:41:24 pm
Big improvement in Civic area is that inbound Xpressos and 100 Links from the south will run around London Crt and avoid City West and Marcus Clarke / Alinga Streets....instead using 'new' stops on London Crt at Melbourne and Sydney Buildings and terminating @ former Electricity House (near Waldorf).

....should make for much faster servicing of Civic while continuing to provide popular services to western stops on London Crt.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Barry Drive on August 22, 2014, 12:19:13 pm
Quote from: King of Buses on August 21, 2014, 07:35:41 pm
If one looks closely at the map of Tuggeranong Bus Station in the weekday bus book, they will notice the 18/318 leave Platform 7 (even though the timetable says Platform 4).

Also, the 19/319 seem to in Conder and Banks, leave Lanyon, take 11 mins to travel along Box Hill to Conder PS, then 2 mins to Saint Clare of Assisi via Pockett, Forsythe etc.

So based of those times, does it mean it operates clockwise or anti-clockwise on northbound journeys? The maps says Anticlockwise but times say differently.

Could someone please clarify as I use these fairly frequently...
Comparison with the weekend timetables: 918 departs from Platform 7; 919 takes 4 min to Conder Primary then 12 to St Clare (total 16 min - whereas 19 takes 13 min). The outbound timetable is more realistic. So the route map is correct, but the timetable is WAY out.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: 743 on August 22, 2014, 01:57:00 pm
Some other weird ones -

I know that scheduling constraints mean not everything is possible, but some of the spacings aren't great or consistent. For instance from Gungahlin to Belconnen on weekends, the 951 and 952 are spaced 30 minutes apart. But from Belconnen to Gungahlin, the three hourly options (including 954) all leave within 15 minutes of each other within the hour.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: vnguyen on August 23, 2014, 09:37:16 pm
Bollard boards have been installed at City Bus Station today at each platform for the new timetables.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: King of Buses on August 23, 2014, 10:15:52 pm
Also, on the 88 journeys to Chisholm and Hume, why does it take 20 mins from Hume Industrial Area to the Chisholm Shops? I would've thought it would be closer to 10 mins but thats ACTION for you...
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Buzz Killington on August 25, 2014, 10:15:44 pm
The Network '14 route listing has been added to the ACT Bus website: http://actbus.net/network-2014/

Please let us know if you spot any errors
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Skitube on August 26, 2014, 12:39:06 am
Quote from: Buzz Killington on August 25, 2014, 10:15:44 pm
The Network '14 route listing has been added to the ACT Bus website: http://actbus.net/network-2014/

Please let us know if you spot any errors


any ideas about nightrides? wonder if there will be two 971 at different times...  :-\
with regards to directions of 726, this is what the website says
"City West Station (L) Marcus Clarke (R) Alinga (R) Northbourne - City Bus Station Platform 10 (L) London (L) Commonwealth (C) Capital (C) Adelaide (L) Cotter (L) Streeton (L) Namatjira (L) Parkinson (L) Brierly (R) Hindmarsh "

It should be Left Namatjira, RIGHT Parkinson, not LEFT Parkinson
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Barry Drive on August 26, 2014, 09:41:29 am
Reports of all errors, large or small, are what's wanted. But if only one error can be found, then that's a good result, considering how many routes there are.

As for Nightriders, don't know yet. There's no guarantee there will be any at all, or that ACTION will operate them.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Buzz Killington on August 26, 2014, 10:03:32 am
If i had to guess on night riders, I would assume they will be renumbered to the 990 series, which is otherwise only used for the Canberra Show (which can be renumbered to the 970 series) and the Bruce Stadium Shuttles (for which route numbers are now rarely, if ever, used on destos - and may not even be designated with a number internally by ACTION anymore)
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: King of Buses on August 26, 2014, 11:31:37 am
Would be confusing, but 390 series perhaps? They could match up numbers so 391 services same places as Christmas day service 91 (North Tuggeranong).
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Barry Drive on August 26, 2014, 02:20:28 pm
Route numbers have to be assigned in order for them to be classed as "route services" - which in turn enables fares to be collected. Since Stadium services are charters (free to the passenger), route numbers are not assigned.

Although, Nightrider services don't need a route "number". They could just as easily be assigned a letter - or a mix.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: The Love Guru on August 26, 2014, 04:44:44 pm
Seriously people, it's a ... number!
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: King of Buses on August 26, 2014, 06:10:29 pm
Quote from: The Love Guru on August 26, 2014, 04:44:44 pm
Seriously people, it's a ... number!


Not much love in that comment Mr Love Guru...

Besides, you wouldn't want to confuse people by having multiple routes with the same number (cough...old 12 - 15's cough...).
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Barry Drive on August 26, 2014, 06:14:41 pm
Cough .... 981 .... cough.

In any case, the numbering system has strayed so far from the Network 98 concept  that they should start over at the next available opportunity.

Time to bring back 3-digit route numbers!
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: smitho on August 27, 2014, 01:28:57 pm
Couple of spelling errors in Nxtbus ...which I assume have been imported over from Google:-

"Callum Street" should read "Callam Street"

"Yarra Glenn" should read "Yarra Glen".

Hopefully they'll be corrected for Network 14.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Buzz Killington on August 27, 2014, 06:23:38 pm
The problem isn't with Google
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: smitho on August 27, 2014, 06:50:00 pm
Noticed recently that Google used the incorrect "Callum" for "Callam"....hence my suggestion.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: 743 on August 27, 2014, 06:54:20 pm
Quote from: smitho on August 27, 2014, 06:50:00 pm
Noticed recently that Google used the incorrect "Callum" for "Callam"....hence my suggestion.

Bus stop names are supplied to Google by the operator concerned. You'll notice that the streets on Google are spelt correctly (along the streets themselves). If a stop name is wrong, it's ACTION's (or whoever is responsible) fault.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: smitho on August 27, 2014, 07:09:31 pm
Quote from: 743 on August 27, 2014, 06:54:20 pm
Bus stop names are supplied to Google by the operator concerned. You'll notice that the streets on Google are spelt correctly (along the streets themselves). If a stop name is wrong, it's ACTION's (or whoever is responsible) fault.


That is good to know - I admire Google products generally and find them difficult to fault.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: smitho on August 27, 2014, 07:13:29 pm
Wondered if anyone has spotted hard copy Network 14 timetables yet?

Noticed that the timetable shelving racks had been removed from the ACTION Information Centre shortly before it was reopened, so may be they are reducing the distribution of hard copy TT's?
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Buzz Killington on August 27, 2014, 07:22:36 pm
I think they're only doing the two bus books (weekday/weekend).
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Bus 400 on August 27, 2014, 07:26:51 pm
You can only pick up the bus books from Canberra Connect shopfronts. Because when a tourist hops off a bus at Jolimont, the first place you go to Dickson RTA.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: King of Buses on August 27, 2014, 07:29:40 pm
Quote from: Bus 400 on August 27, 2014, 07:26:51 pm
You can only pick up the bus books from Canberra Connect shopfronts. Because when a tourist hops off a bus at Jolimont, the first place you go to Dickson RTA.


Apparently they'll be available at MyWay recharge agents too. But I don't care, I've got my copies  >:D
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: ajw373 on August 27, 2014, 07:32:59 pm
Quote from: King of Buses on August 27, 2014, 07:29:40 pm
Apparently they'll be available at MyWay recharge agents too. But I don't care, I've got my copies  >:D


Are the pages stuck together yet?

Seriously though they should be available in more places.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Buzz Killington on August 27, 2014, 08:38:42 pm
Yeah, they need to be. No doubt the print run has been significantly reduced in the face of technology but it's important to ensure adequate supply for those who need or prefer a print version. I much prefer the 'bus book' format!

Quote from: Bus 400 on August 27, 2014, 07:26:51 pm
Because when a tourist hops off a bus at Jolimont, the first place you go to Dickson RTA.


I lol'd
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Skitube on August 27, 2014, 10:04:45 pm
anybody knows if there are printed copies of the network map? the one in the booklets is very.....simplistic...
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Barry Drive on August 27, 2014, 11:03:55 pm
Transit Graphics have said there will be (via Facebook).
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Lachie on August 28, 2014, 08:37:11 am
Action have been handing out brochures for network 14 and nxtbus at the major bus stations this morning. Well at least at belco.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Skitube on August 28, 2014, 09:23:55 am
saw them at woden and city as well
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: 743 on August 28, 2014, 05:50:13 pm
Not only are the bus stop timetables being updated, but so are some of the holders. Stops 4585, 3166 and 3167 (Dickson and Watson Shops) have been upgraded from the blue A4 cases to the standard yellow A3s. Unfortunately outward 39s still show "City Bus Stn" as the destination. While,  technically, that is the last stop, it would be great if there was a way in HASTUS (perhaps there is?) of displaying "Watson" as far as Watson Shops, then "City Bus Stn" from there.

Same for NXTBUS (and ideally, destos). I remember Kippax being raised on the forum as a place where similar things happen since loops stop at the same stop, inward and outward - the 39 at least doesn't have that problem.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Skitube on August 28, 2014, 08:32:26 pm
on weekends at Cohen Street, basically every bus stopping next to platform 3 (not on platform 3, i.e. stop 959 not 4479) and all outbound journeys are shown as going to emu banks... good luck... >:D
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Barry Drive on August 29, 2014, 12:43:45 pm
Quote from: vnguyen on August 19, 2014, 11:28:10 am
Also why didn't ACTION put the bus stations map like the have done the past few times showing which bus departs from each platform?
New bus station maps have been posted to ACTION's website (http://www.action.act.gov.au/rider_Info/Bus_Station_Guide). (Although Gungahlin Bus Station seems to have been missed)

Of note is that Route 18/318 is now shown against platform 4 at Tuggeranong, so (a) the timetable is correct and (b) the weekend route departs from a different platform.

Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: vnguyen on August 29, 2014, 04:08:04 pm
Does anyone know how many bus stops are going to be in Hume?
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Bus 400 on August 29, 2014, 04:44:55 pm
Quote from: Skitube on August 27, 2014, 10:04:45 pm
anybody knows if there are printed copies of the network map? the one in the booklets is very.....simplistic...

A printed network map is now available. I picked one up from a stand in the City this afternoon.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: The Love Guru on August 29, 2014, 04:45:17 pm
2 or 3
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Lachie on August 29, 2014, 05:03:54 pm
Bus books out today at major stations.  Well at least belco and gungahlin.  They look pretty good too.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Bus 400 on August 29, 2014, 05:14:38 pm
Quote from: The Love Guru on August 29, 2014, 04:45:17 pm
2 or 3

Only one, I'll let you pick your own copy up.
I did however sneak away with 2 sets of books.  One for collection & one for my Gran/to sit drinks on so they don't mark the table. The upside to it being a book is that there are more pages.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: 743 on August 29, 2014, 05:38:50 pm
I think Mr Guru was answering the Hume question.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: lukeo25 on August 29, 2014, 06:48:22 pm
My dad got me 4 sets of each (I'd of got them myself but that's a bit difficult because I'm in the UK) now to hunt down a network map when I return (I arrive back in Australia on Tuesday)
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: smitho on August 30, 2014, 02:50:01 am
Some buses have already had their destos converted over to Network 14, with Comms Centre alerting drivers today (Friday) and advising them to do the best they can - ie. to still operate the scheduled Network 12 runs.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: The Love Guru on August 30, 2014, 07:51:25 am
Pretty much all buses will have new network destos displayed this weekend.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: vnguyen on August 30, 2014, 04:01:15 pm
Why did they put up a bollard board on Platform 2 at the city bus station since it not being used?
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: The Love Guru on August 30, 2014, 05:04:01 pm
Call 131710 and ask them
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Skitube on August 30, 2014, 05:27:43 pm
Quote from: smitho on August 30, 2014, 02:50:01 am
Some buses have already had their destos converted over to Network 14, with Comms Centre alerting drivers today (Friday) and advising them to do the best they can - ie. to still operate the scheduled Network 12 runs.


saw a driver trying to put up the desto for 930, put up 93 instead... early Xmas for everyone!!!!! ;D
poor guy... :( had to give up, put up an empty desto, and use a piece of A4 sheet that was as bad as the small number on the new desto, if not better...
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: 743 on August 30, 2014, 05:42:28 pm
Quote from: vnguyen on August 30, 2014, 04:01:15 pm
Why did they put up a bollard board on Platform 2 at the city bus station since it not being used?

Not only that - there's also now an ACTION style one for Qcity at Platform 6!

Quote from: Skitube on August 30, 2014, 05:27:43 pm
saw a driver trying to put up the desto for 930, put up 93 instead... early Xmas for everyone!!!!! ;D
poor guy... :( had to give up, put up an empty desto, and use a piece of A4 sheet that was as bad as the small number on the new desto, if not better...

Probably similar for the other cancelled runs - 912, 913, 914, 915, 931 and 942 (although 940 would probably suffice). I spotted 951s heading towards the City displaying "Gungahlin", would be the same for other routes where the operating section has changed, e.g. 958 which is no longer Belc - Gung, but Gung - City.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: smitho on August 30, 2014, 05:47:37 pm
If I was working this weekend, I'd take out a PR2 Mark 1...even if it meant a Belco shift.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: King of Buses on August 30, 2014, 06:00:46 pm
Some buses yesterday (PR3's) were on routes 9 and 10. Interesting seeing a 9 ADFA Loop terminating at Campbell Park and a 10 Majura Park Loop heading for Belconnen. BUS.541 also has a paper desto today too. Some Belconnen MAN's (didn't see any Tuggy ones though) had new destos in action (hehe >:D). The numbers are also smaller on some runs (on the 962, but not the 900) as if they'd contracted Sydney's Mercedes O305 MKII-itis. The style was similar to something I've seen on Translink buses in Brisbane.

The PR2's also now no longer have the scrolling "Not in/Service" signs, just "Not in Service". I'll miss that  :'(.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Bus 400 on August 30, 2014, 06:56:14 pm
Tuggeranong Depot buses are likely to updated tonight.
A couple of Belconnen Depot buses missed out on the update last night.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: smitho on August 31, 2014, 12:36:55 pm
From a quick flip through, some gremlins appear to have found their way into the Network 14 Weekday bus book - not surprising in all of the circumstances.

Again, just from quick observation, the distinctive marketing identities of the Xpressos and of the "Green line" and "Gold line" seem to have been reduced or eliminated in the new TT. However for color coding purposes, the Xpresso routes continue to be shown as dark brown lines on the maps - but where they appear in a TT co-located with a "Blue Rapid" route (eg. 318, 718), they are shown in the same blue identity as the 300s.

Boundaries of the "Red Rapid" seem a little confusing. For example, 51, 251 and 52, 252 appear together on the same timetable in all red format, but on the accompanying map, the 51 / 251 is shown in red, the 52/252 in orange. Curious. May be intended to assist reading the map. 
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Barry Drive on August 31, 2014, 02:11:00 pm
Not quite orange, just a lighter shade of red.

On the network map, 2 & 3 are shown in shades of gold, and 4 & 5 in green, but that is the extent of it. The "Green Line" and "Gold Line" nomenclature is dead. Expect the bollard toppers to disappear eventually.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Skitube on August 31, 2014, 03:24:37 pm
Quote from: ACTbusspotter on August 31, 2014, 02:11:00 pm
Not quite orange, just a lighter shade of red.

On the network map, 2 & 3 are shown in shades of gold, and 4 & 5 in green, but that is the extent of it. The "Green Line" and "Gold Line" nomenclature is dead. Expect the bollard toppers to disappear eventually.


saw new bollard for SB platform at Barton station, normal bollard, no toppers, with a piece of paper stuck on it with the three colours... >:(
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Bus 400 on August 31, 2014, 07:21:16 pm
Because I was bored & because I can, I've turned some of my photos into a video of what was lost with the introduction of Network 2014. I could of done better, but I wasn't that bored. But I think the first & last songs are quite fitting.
See it at  http://youtu.be/8csm9Gn0vxs
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Skitube on August 31, 2014, 07:44:19 pm
Quote from: Bus 400 on August 31, 2014, 07:21:16 pm
Because I was bored & because I can, I've turned some of my photos into a video of what was lost with the introduction of Network 2014. I could of done better, but I wasn't that bored. But I think the first & last songs are quite fitting.
See it at  http://youtu.be/8csm9Gn0vxs


958 belconnen via harrison? gee wiz we lost that quite a while ago... :D
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Bus 400 on August 31, 2014, 08:10:31 pm
Digitally it was lost this weekend.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Skitube on August 31, 2014, 08:13:46 pm
The last bus of Network '12, a NB 900, has just arrived into Belconnen Depot. That's the end of network 12,  :-\ and network 14 will start with the 5:39 Rt 315 from Spence. See you all in the new network and new month!!!!
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: King of Buses on August 31, 2014, 08:44:28 pm
Into the historic collection for Network '12 Timetables...  :'(

Into the current TT boxes Network  '14 bus books and maps  :D

Did you get a pic of the last one?
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: smitho on August 31, 2014, 09:21:25 pm
Buses (new version of 319) returning to Jane Sutherland St, but not the bendy eastern portion where they used to operate until several years back. Bus stop concrete pads and signs recently completed and installed in Paperbark and Forsythe Streets.

Old bus stop poles and signs (ie. yellow pre-Nxtbus style blades) still in situ along Charterisville Ave and Handasyde St in north Conder; no pegs though. Anyone know if these streets ever served by scheduled services?....noticed recently a Flexibus sticker at one stop, suggesting that may have been the case. None of the blades have "School services only" markings. 
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: vnguyen on August 31, 2014, 10:25:29 pm
I Think Flexibus is returning to Network 14 according to the bus book where it has this service at Woden Bus Station.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Bus 400 on August 31, 2014, 10:57:05 pm
Quote from: smitho on August 31, 2014, 09:21:25 pm
Old bus stop poles and signs (ie. yellow pre-Nxtbus style blades) still in situ along Charterisville Ave and Handasyde St in north Conder; no pegs though. Anyone know if these streets ever served by scheduled services?


Back around 2005/2006 a different Route 18 serviced the parts of Banks/Conder that the 13/313 didn't. This included the top end where the 788 did & the 19/319 will now. From my recollection, I was one of the only passengers on board & it was canned not long after. But it was the perfect route to fill in my breaks between classes at college.

Quote from: vnguyen on August 31, 2014, 10:25:29 pm
I Think Flexibus is returning to Network 14 according to the bus book where it has this service at Woden Bus Station.


If Flexibus was returning, we would know about it by now. More then likely, it is the service replacing the 70 series community buses with the buses driven by SNT staff. Which is on a call up basis, so won't be on the timetables.
It is just that like the "80 Airport" stickers, some Flexibus stickers have either had the cover peel off or were just forgotten about.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: vnguyen on September 01, 2014, 11:16:41 am
Does the Carnegie/Captain Cook stop (3313) service 4? Even though it passes the stop. I tried catching it this morning but no data showed up NXT bus
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: The Love Guru on September 01, 2014, 11:31:27 am
131710
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: vnguyen on September 01, 2014, 12:02:43 pm
Called  ACTION and they said that bus stop is still used but the data have not been updated yet.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: The Love Guru on September 01, 2014, 01:47:31 pm
There will be teething issues for the first few weeks. Quite normal with a large network change.
Late running is going to be the big issue.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Skitube on September 01, 2014, 02:24:16 pm
went to the arboretum today, 3 stops, three with signs saying "bus stop closed", three without showing up on SMS service, three showed up on the screen inside the bus... go figure... :(
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: The Love Guru on September 01, 2014, 03:04:45 pm
Don't post it here, call ACTION and tell them. They can't fix it if they don't know about it.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Barry Drive on September 01, 2014, 03:04:49 pm
^ see above. New stops have not been loaded into NXTBUS. So although the data is being sent by the buses (many of them), it can't be accessed because stop is not recognised.

Sh*t happens (or doesn't happen in this case).
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: smitho on September 01, 2014, 07:59:11 pm
FULL BUS desto display is now available in the 110 series. Handy.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Skitube on September 01, 2014, 09:52:33 pm
Quote from: smitho on September 01, 2014, 07:59:11 pm
FULL BUS desto display is now available in the 110 series. Handy.


yeah i saw that at woden today, but on an empty run...  :D
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Bus 400 on September 01, 2014, 10:19:16 pm
Quote from: smitho on September 01, 2014, 07:59:11 pm
FULL BUS desto display is now available in the 110 series. Handy.


Sounds like the perfect desto to display when dead running......
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Snorzac on September 01, 2014, 11:11:43 pm
I would be interested to know what bus they used to time some of these runs because it must have had rockets attached to it!!!
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Skitube on September 01, 2014, 11:31:14 pm
Quote from: Captain Skybed on September 01, 2014, 11:11:43 pm
I would be interested to know what bus they used to time some of these runs because it must have had rockets attached to it!!!


meanwhile with others, must've had retarder on full...
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: The Love Guru on September 02, 2014, 09:54:41 am
Haven't found a run with too much time on it yet.
This morning was debacle with lack of vehicles, rain and a timetable that can only be described as ambitious. Late running up to 20 minutes was the norm today and won't improve.
Can see a new timetable coming in the not too distant future as the public won't stand for what is going on atm.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Bus 400 on September 02, 2014, 12:28:55 pm
Apparently new shifts are to start on the first day of Term 1 2015.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Skitube on September 02, 2014, 12:55:14 pm
Not sure how many people have similar views, but I thought the 770 should've been kept, albeit altered. The idea there was right, giving people north of Chisholm a direct bus to the City during peak hours, but it was quite circuitous. I don't know how to improve it since I've only been on it once, with quite a bit of patronage. Anybody got ideas?
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Barry Drive on September 02, 2014, 12:55:40 pm
Quote from: Bus 400 on September 02, 2014, 12:28:55 pm
Apparently new shifts are to start on the first day of Term 1 2015.

But will they have a new timetable to go with them? (TBH, I don't hold out much hope for either, but maybe I'll be surprised.)
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Buzz Killington on September 02, 2014, 01:32:34 pm
Quote from: Skitube on September 02, 2014, 12:55:14 pm
Not sure how many people have similar views, but I thought the 770 should've been kept, albeit altered. The idea there was right, giving people north of Chisholm a direct bus to the City during peak hours, but it was quite circuitous. I don't know how to improve it since I've only been on it once, with quite a bit of patronage. Anybody got ideas?


Part of it was covered by the 265 in the old network, covered by various routes in the new one.

To make it viable again, i would suggest it runs up Erindale/Yamba direct to the City as soon as it comes out of Fadden, or once it comes down Gaunson if the Wanniassa portion was to be kept. There was never a valid reason for the route to travel via Woden when people could use the 11, 61, 63, 64, 65, 66 or 67 depending where they lived.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Bus 400 on September 02, 2014, 10:11:56 pm
While only relying on what I see on my drive between Kambah & Mitchell each morning & afternoon & my other sources of information. Is it just me or has peak dead running been cut?
In the past I would pass 2-3 buses heading south & 1-2 heading north in the morning & many a Tuggeranong bus heading to the City of an afternoon. But for the past few days I've only seen buses heading north on 705's & 749's.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Barry Drive on September 03, 2014, 08:51:12 pm
Quote from: King of Buses on August 21, 2014, 07:35:41 pm
If one looks closely at the map of Tuggeranong Bus Station in the weekday bus book, they will notice the 18/318 leave Platform 7 (even though the timetable says Platform 4).

Also, the 19/319 seem to in Conder and Banks, leave Lanyon, take 11 mins to travel along Box Hill to Conder PS, then 2 mins to Saint Clare of Assisi via Pockett, Forsythe etc.
Route 19/319 online timetable has been updated - now 2 minutes to first timing point and then 10/11 minutes to the next. The PDF version of the timetable has not yet been updated. And yes, the 18/318 depart from 4 - there is now a notice on platform 7.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: King of Buses on September 03, 2014, 09:16:08 pm
Quote from: ACTbusspotter on September 03, 2014, 08:51:12 pm
Route 19/319 online timetable has been updated - now 2 minutes to first timing point and then 10/11 minutes to the next. The PDF version of the timetable has not yet been updated. And yes, the 18/318 depart from 4 - there is now a notice on platform 7.


Thanks for keeping an eye on it for me. I did notice a 18 leaving P7 and a 318 leaving P4 on Monday afternoon.

I also just noticed the 66 goes along Barr Smith rather than Hurtle in Bonython. I wonder whether they expect to pick anyone up where there aren't any stops...I doubt it would be quicker than Hurtle too, especially crossing onto Drakeford.

EDIT: Two stops now on Barr Smith at Kingscote close to Drakeford. That would be why they changed the 66.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: smitho on September 03, 2014, 11:48:07 pm
Quote from: Bus 400 on September 02, 2014, 12:28:55 pm
Apparently new shifts are to start on the first day of Term 1 2015.


Correct, that's the theory!
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Skitube on September 06, 2014, 08:59:20 am
now i can see why they cleaved rt 10, so they can put STAG on 40... quite a few runs by STAG, even during off-peaks!!!!!!
meanwhile STAGs are also appearing on 39, and since Red Hill is now serviced by 4, STAGs are appearing in that region as well.
Yet to see which Woden-Tuggeranong runs are STAG
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: King of Buses on September 06, 2014, 09:53:02 am
Quote from: Skitube on September 06, 2014, 08:59:20 am
now i can see why they cleaved rt 10, so they can put STAG on 40... quite a few runs by STAG, even during off-peaks!!!!!!
meanwhile STAGs are also appearing on 39, and since Red Hill is now serviced by 4, STAGs are appearing in that region as well.
Yet to see which Woden-Tuggeranong runs are STAG


I don't think any 60 series (or 71) Woden to Tuggers runs have Scania 14.5's allocated to them. Mostly because of Erindale and Wanniasa (and Vansitart for the 62). A northbound 60 may be able to use a STAG but the southbound one (becuase of the back of the woden Plaza) and all other 60 series runs, no STAGs. Only the 18 and 19 (and 300 series counterparts) can be legally operated by STAGs I think.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Buzz Killington on September 06, 2014, 11:17:58 am
Erindale shouldn't be a problem now that they've widened the McBryde/Comrie intersection.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: smitho on September 06, 2014, 11:52:34 am
Noticed that ACTION got a serve on Crikey yesterday - over absence of hard copy timetable displays such as at the information boards on Platform 7 at Civic interchange and the information bay near Platform 6 at Woden.

Instead, passengers are referred to the web site and related electronic pathways.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: smitho on September 06, 2014, 11:56:06 am
A number of afternoon orange standard bus runs are being operated with "green buses" - due to insufficient standard buses being available to meet shift requirements.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Skitube on September 06, 2014, 12:30:59 pm
Quote from: King of Buses on September 06, 2014, 09:53:02 am
I don't think any 60 series (or 71) Woden to Tuggers runs have Scania 14.5's allocated to them. Mostly because of Erindale and Wanniasa (and Vansitart for the 62). A northbound 60 may be able to use a STAG but the southbound one (becuase of the back of the woden Plaza) and all other 60 series runs, no STAGs. Only the 18 and 19 (and 300 series counterparts) can be legally operated by STAGs I think.


maybe 61?
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Snorzac on September 06, 2014, 02:54:14 pm
Quote from: smitho on September 06, 2014, 11:56:06 am
A number of afternoon orange standard bus runs are being operated with "green buses" - due to insufficient standard buses being available to meet shift requirements.

That should be becoming a common thing as time progresses!
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: smitho on September 06, 2014, 06:14:48 pm
Agree Capt Skybed.

And sooner or later, the combined assortment of all medium rigid buses will be termed 'standard' buses.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Bus 400 on September 07, 2014, 08:36:35 pm
Quote from: The Love Guru on September 02, 2014, 09:54:41 am
Haven't found a run with too much time on it yet.
This morning was debacle with lack of vehicles, rain and a timetable that can only be described as ambitious. Late running up to 20 minutes was the norm today and won't improve.


While many a weekend run has too much time.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Buzz Killington on September 07, 2014, 08:47:17 pm
950 was in service today. Always a bit weird seeing a Renault on a weekend.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Bus 400 on September 09, 2014, 07:45:20 pm
An additional (aka after many complaints) 725 will be added shortly.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: vnguyen on September 09, 2014, 07:46:24 pm
I noticed that the 200 to Fyshwick now reads as "Fyshwick Limited Stops" instead of Fyshwick DFO as the destination board.

Also the Renault PR100.3  buses now shows routes 4 and 5 to the City West as the destination board.

Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: smitho on September 09, 2014, 10:56:30 pm
Quote from: Bus 400 on September 09, 2014, 07:45:20 pm
An additional (aka after many complaints) 725 will be added shortly.


I gather that the Weston Creek activists have had a bit of a media blitz on inadequacies of Network 14, including the lack of a later morning departure on the 725 route; at present, the last 725 departure from Weston Creek Centre is at 0701.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: The Love Guru on September 09, 2014, 11:15:04 pm
According to media reports the later service was 'accidently forgotten' to be added to the timetable.
Nice proof reading of the schedule.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Barry Drive on September 10, 2014, 11:24:26 am
So does this mean they also "forgot" to include any 749s from Belconnen after 0730?
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: The Love Guru on September 10, 2014, 11:38:45 am
I think they forgot a lot of things, like their social obligation to provide a way for people to get home after 9pm!
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: King of Buses on September 10, 2014, 05:53:12 pm
Quote from: The Love Guru on September 10, 2014, 11:38:45 am
I think they forgot a lot of things, like their social obligation to provide a way for people to get home after 9pm!


What they could've done (and this may be more at home in the "Network the next thread"), is on friday and saturday nights run services on suburban until later (2330? - Thats how long the Blue rapids and that go for). This could easily be accomodated by having shorter shifts that end around 2100 continue on these nights only (which means more money for drivers 8)). Alternatively, have evening runs that service a larger area (but NO flexibuses....). Nightriders perhaps except from local interchanges rather than civic? Might come up with some ideas if I get around to it.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Buzz Killington on September 10, 2014, 06:49:23 pm
Quote from: King of Buses on September 10, 2014, 05:53:12 pm
Alternatively, have evening runs that service a larger area (but NO flexibuses....). Nightriders perhaps except from local interchanges rather than civic? Might come up with some ideas if I get around to it.


Nightrider and Flexibus essentially are the same thing (Except you can't call up to catch the Nightrider from the suburbs)
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: The Love Guru on September 10, 2014, 07:19:27 pm
Quote from: King of Buses on September 10, 2014, 05:53:12 pm
What they could've done (and this may be more at home in the "Network the next thread"), is on friday and saturday nights run services on suburban until later (2330? - Thats how long the Blue rapids and that go for). This could easily be accomodated by having shorter shifts that end around 2100 continue on these nights only (which means more money for drivers 8)). Alternatively, have evening runs that service a larger area (but NO flexibuses....). Nightriders perhaps except from local interchanges rather than civic? Might come up with some ideas if I get around to it.

Fail
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: King of Buses on September 10, 2014, 07:52:48 pm
Quote from: The Love Guru on September 10, 2014, 07:19:27 pm
Fail


Why so? Besides, something like those (old in some cases) weekend loops like the existing 967/968 or 936/937. Yes, I am aware that they did run on evenings but were unpopular. At least there would be something rather than whats there now...

Maybe even something like the christmas routes with the link between interchanges as 300s and 200s (that extend to Belco via 250). Gungahlin would need to have a loop from gunners unlike the christmas 97. As I said, better than nothing...

In regard to those shifts though, a 8 hour shift that would usually end at 2100, could on certain days have a couple of extra runs tacked on. Then again, you'd get some twats who'd run a 2300 route 99 (or whatever) on a Tuesday and expect to be paid by ACTION still...
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: The Love Guru on September 10, 2014, 08:08:49 pm
Red and blue Rapids to the main town centres, Area services from there after 9pm. No need for inbound services after 9pm.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Buzz Killington on September 10, 2014, 08:51:42 pm
Quote from: The Love Guru on September 10, 2014, 08:08:49 pm
Red and blue Rapids to the main town centres, Area services from there after 9pm. No need for inbound services after 9pm.


This. It's all that is needed.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: King of Buses on September 10, 2014, 09:22:48 pm
Quote from: The Love Guru on September 10, 2014, 08:08:49 pm
Red and blue Rapids to the main town centres, Area services from there after 9pm. No need for inbound services after 9pm.


The thing is, ACTION don't understand that people won't be travelling out after 9pm. So they'll waste resources on inbound journeys and wonder why nobody uses them. Then cut them all together (where we are now). Now, who shall tell his to ACTION...
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: smitho on September 10, 2014, 11:23:52 pm
Today's CT article on the additional, later inbound 725 Xpresso  - ie. the one that was "forgotten":-

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/more-express-buses-for-weston-creek-20140909-10e7cp.html
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: vnguyen on September 11, 2014, 03:25:30 pm
I'm not sure if it is a good idea but would it be better if the maps in the bus book be better if it shows where the bus stops are? Like the ones in the old timetables & maps for each route where It was ndicated by a circle on the maps.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: smitho on September 13, 2014, 12:22:34 am
Two Network maps would be handy - one for weekdays, 2nd for weekends - would be handy..... So that passengers can easily identify adjoining route patterns.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: 743 on September 13, 2014, 10:57:26 am
Quote from: smitho on September 13, 2014, 12:22:34 am
Two Network maps would be handy - one for weekdays, 2nd for weekends - would be handy..... So that passengers can easily identify adjoining route patterns.

They've been available online since two weeks before the launch, and printed copies have been out for a while, too.

Quote from: vnguyen on September 11, 2014, 03:25:30 pm
I'm not sure if it is a good idea but would it be better if the maps in the bus book be better if it shows where the bus stops are? Like the ones in the old timetables & maps for each route where It was ndicated by a circle on the maps.

The dots on the old maps were actually quite incorrect in many cases. Keeping them off the new maps would also make it easier to keep them up to date, bus stops are more likely to change more frequently than the routes.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Barry Drive on September 18, 2014, 09:16:23 am
Quote from: smitho on September 06, 2014, 11:52:34 am
Noticed that ACTION got a serve on Crikey yesterday - over absence of hard copy timetable displays such as at the information boards on Platform 7 at Civic interchange and the information bay near Platform 6 at Woden.

Instead, passengers are referred to the web site and related electronic pathways.
It was only temporary. New bus station signage was being installed last night.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: smitho on September 18, 2014, 08:31:01 pm
Quote from: ACTbusspotter on September 18, 2014, 09:16:23 am
It was only temporary. New bus station signage was being installed last night.

There was nothing on the notice boards to indicate that the network timetable poster would make a reappearance at some future time.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Bus 400 on September 23, 2014, 09:18:35 am
The Flexible Bus Service was released yesterday https://www.transport.act.gov.au/catch_a_bus/accessible-public-transport
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Barry Drive on September 23, 2014, 12:03:50 pm
Presumably they'll be using SNT Rosas for these services.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: smitho on September 23, 2014, 01:15:29 pm
Regional ACTION bus timetable posters have appeared at Civic (Platform 7) and Tuggeranong (near Platform 8) interchanges.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Bus 400 on September 23, 2014, 08:39:39 pm
Because no one leaves Lanyon after 8pm on Saturday & Sunday nights, the 20:32 918 ex-Lanyon is no longer running.

EDIT-Route added.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: 743 on September 24, 2014, 02:10:45 pm
Quote from: Bus 400 on September 23, 2014, 08:39:39 pm
Because no one leaves Lanyon after 8pm on Saturday & Sunday nights, the 20:32 ex-Lanyon is no longer running.

Only the Sunday service has been deleted (refer to HTML and PDF timetables - Route 918 is what he's referring to). The website bulletin could be improved to specify that!
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: King of Buses on September 24, 2014, 09:14:13 pm
Quote from: ACTbusspotter on September 18, 2014, 09:16:23 am
It was only temporary. New bus station signage was being installed last night.


Once again, the new stuff seems to be stuck over the old timetables...not at Woden though at the main boards however...

So prepare for the new stuff to fall down (like always happens at Tuggers) and confuse the heck out of people because they try catch an 11 to Calwell or a 786 to Fairbairn...not that I ever saw anyone do the latter (other than me occasionally...)
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Bus 400 on September 24, 2014, 10:14:42 pm


Quote from: King of Buses on September 24, 2014, 09:14:13 pm
........or a 786 to Fairbairn...not that I ever saw anyone do the latter (other than me occasionally...)


Don't be too sure about that, last Friday someone wanted to get from Kippax to Conder. Ian the old days, I thought I was the only one silly enough to catch a bus from Kippax to Lanyon.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: smitho on September 25, 2014, 10:27:03 pm
Connections hub: An adventurous lady passenger made an interesting connection recently at the North Weston & Molonglo Park and Ride northbound stop.....from the city-bound 725 Xpresso to the Belconnen bound Xpresso ex-Tuggeranong. Good effort.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Buzz Killington on September 26, 2014, 03:19:50 pm
So people are capable of transferring buses outside of interchanges!
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: ajw373 on September 26, 2014, 03:41:33 pm
It is one hell of a risk around this town. Might be stranded somewhere for an hour or two
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: King of Buses on September 26, 2014, 04:26:19 pm
Quote from: Buzz Killington on September 26, 2014, 03:19:50 pm
So people are capable of transferring buses outside of interchanges!


:popping: YOWZAH! (fainting dramatically)
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: smitho on September 26, 2014, 11:20:12 pm
Quote from: Buzz Killington on September 26, 2014, 03:19:50 pm
So people are capable of transferring buses outside of interchanges!

Yes, indeed. This passenger had certainly done her homework....a bit of a rarity!
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Bus 400 on September 27, 2014, 10:17:18 am
Quote from: ajw373 on September 26, 2014, 03:41:33 pm
It is one hell of a risk around this town. Might be stranded somewhere for an hour or two

Using NXTBUS, you can see how far away your connecting bus. If it shows up as 705 Belconnen Cancelled for example,  then said passenger would continue onto the City change there.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: ajw373 on September 27, 2014, 11:01:52 am
Quote from: Bus 400 on September 27, 2014, 10:17:18 am
Using NXTBUS, you can see how far away your connecting bus. If it shows up as 705 Belconnen Cancelled for example,  then said passenger would continue onto the City change there.


Do you seriously think the average passenger is going to be sitting there on their phone consulting Nextbus? Assuming of course they even know the stop nber to extract the info?

Oh for what it is worth I did a non interchange change the other day. Was going from Campbell Park offices to the city so only through searching the stupid action website did I realise I could get the Woden bus and change at Russell. Oh the only thing in question is where did the Woden bus go its not like the stops have any info.

It is almost like the info at stops was written by people on here. You know the ones that know every route and connection point and just assume everyone knows the same rather than give info to the lowest common denominator. Action could do well to visit London and see what info they provide passengers at stops
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Barry Drive on September 27, 2014, 12:54:03 pm
Quote from: ajw373 on September 27, 2014, 11:01:52 am
It is almost like the info at stops was written by people on here. You know the ones that know every route and connection point and just assume everyone knows the same rather than give info to the lowest common denominator. Action could do well to visit London and see what info they provide passengers at stops

I'm offended. As, I suspect, are many other "people on here". I think you'll find I've been fairly critical about the lack of useful information at bus stops and bus stations and many others have been too.

And they don't even need to go as far as London. Melbourne provides route / area maps at many suburban stops - something which would be very useful for places like Dickson and Weston Creek Centre. Or pretty much everywhere where there are multiple buses.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Buzz Killington on September 27, 2014, 04:37:18 pm
I may be wrong but I don't believe offends was intended - I read it as saying that ACTION are assuming that everyone knows the routes and connections or can look it up online before going to a bus stop.

But yes, the level of information provided at bus stops is terrible.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: 743 on September 27, 2014, 05:35:52 pm
It's the reliance on automated HASTUS displays which I think needs to be reduced. A lot could be done with a bollard (which is three A3 landscape spaces on each side) and the other A3 portrait displays at suburban stops. Only thing is, generally that requires manual graphic design work, particularly if it needs to be stop-specific - there are some automated systems available, but they can be somewhat limited in their output. So more design = more money/time, which is probably where the root of the issue lies!

HASTUS displays, as mentioned before, are tricky when loop routes are involved, as it always shows the final destination - even on the outward journey (e.g. "City Bus Stn" for northward 39s up Northbourne Ave and Antill St). Plus, it doesn't show trip notes/diversions that are not designated a letter within the system - while I haven't been out to see such a display, I would suspect the outward 11s all show "City Bus Stn", with no note against the ones that turn around at Brindabella Business Park (i.e. they do not service Fairbairn Park).

On the flip side, extra information shown in HASTUS ends up on the displays, when it's not necessary - e.g. northbound Red Rapids that are scheduled to depart after the arrival of a train at Canberra Railway Station have a trip note along the lines of "connects with XXX train from Sydney", which is of no use to people boarding these services, especially after Kingston! I think too that all notes show along the whole length of the journey, even after a particular diversion has occurred.

These problems are not present in the designed large format displays at Bus Stations, which appear to be manually constructed.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: ajw373 on September 27, 2014, 08:05:58 pm
Quote from: ACTbusspotter on September 27, 2014, 12:54:03 pm
I'm offended. As, I suspect, are many other "people on here". I think you'll find I've been fairly critical about the lack of useful information at bus stops and bus stations and many others have been too.


Not sure what there is to be offended by, I mean to say I am here too am I not? The point I was making is far too often people who are very very cleaver and know their shit inside out (like US on here) write guides, or make decisions, without writing to their target audience. When what needs to happen is someone from outside should be writing and deciding on what information based on customer needs, of course with input from the subject specialist matters.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Bus 400 on September 27, 2014, 08:12:14 pm


Quote from: ajw373 on September 27, 2014, 11:01:52 am
Do you seriously think the average passenger is going to be sitting there on their phone consulting Nextbus? Assuming of course they even know the stop nber to extract the info?

Oh for what it is worth I did a non interchange change the other day. Was going from Campbell Park offices to the city so only through searching the stupid action website did I realise I could get the Woden bus and change at Russell. Oh the only thing in question is where did the Woden bus go its not like the stops have any info.


The average Canberra bus passenger is firstly too scared to change buses & secondly wouldn't have the faintest idea what NXTBUS is. Those couple of passengers that do change, should be shown NXTBUS (if they aren't aware of it yet).

Also, the Woden bus goes to Woden...... Seriously though, if you've managed to make it to the ACTION website, you could of seen the map.

For ages though, the bus station displays were quite impressive. While after being ridiculed over the forgotten displays, we are seeing the bare minimum. It might be all good & well implemeneting a real time system, but not showing what routes service what suburbs is disgusting (see any platform at Belconnen Community Bus Station).
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Bus 400 on September 27, 2014, 08:14:51 pm
Quote from: smitho on September 25, 2014, 10:27:03 pm
Connections hub: An adventurous lady passenger made an interesting connection recently at the North Weston & Molonglo Park and Ride northbound stop.....from the city-bound 725 Xpresso to the Belconnen bound Xpresso ex-Tuggeranong. Good effort.

To bring a more positive side to this thread. By the sounds of things Smitho you're keeping up a tradition of having a Weston Creek Xpresso on your shift.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Barry Drive on September 27, 2014, 08:32:15 pm
This is what offends me:
Quote from: ajw373 on September 27, 2014, 08:05:58 pm
... people who are very very cleaver and know their shit inside out (like US on here) write guides, or make decisions, without writing to their target audience.

Without giving too much away, one of my past jobs did involve writing user guides. Part of the challenge was getting the balance right between being too technical and too simplistic.

Given that ACTION / TAMS do not seem to have considered their audience, I don't think you can accuse them of being "cleaver" at all.

What needs to happen is for ACTION / TAMS to spend more money and allow experts in this area (ie Transit Graphics) to produce better signage that actually does consider the likely audience.

(Your challenge - go to a bus station and find a guide which tells you where to get a bus to the City. Plenty of references to "Blue Rapid" and "Red Rapid", but none which explain what that means.)
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: ajw373 on September 27, 2014, 08:42:33 pm
Quote from: Bus 400 on September 27, 2014, 08:12:14 pm

Also, the Woden bus goes to Woden...... Seriously though, if you've managed to make it to the ACTION website, you could of seen the map.


Yeah of course the Woden bus goes to Woden, but via WHERE? Now if I was going to Woden it would not have been an issue, but I was going to Belconnen.

So my decision was to get the Woden bus and change somewhere to a City or Belconnen bound bus or wait about 25 minutes for the 10 to the City. And yes I did bring up the website on my old Apple I phone 3 and eventually worked out it went via Russell and worked out the over all journey was quicker by 10 mins to get the Woden bus.

Oh and at Russell again going off just the very basic info at the stop I saw I could get a 251 to Belconnen. Of course being someone on HERE I new that meant via Gungahlin, but the average punter or irregular user would have no idea what so ever that it would be the worst possible way to get to Belconnen.

Also Campbell park services are really shit, I mean to say I finished what I was there for at 4pm and the next bus to the City was at 4:40. Can see why the carpark was so full.

Someone else mentioned something similar above, but the basic timetable also showed a service at 4:25 which of course was actually the same bus as the 4:40 service but heading to Majura Park first. Also this bus came through at 4:20 and didn't wait until the 4:25.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: 743 on September 28, 2014, 02:09:04 pm
Quote from: ajw373 on September 27, 2014, 08:42:33 pm
Oh and at Russell again going off just the very basic info at the stop I saw I could get a 251 to Belconnen. Of course being someone on HERE I new that meant via Gungahlin, but the average punter or irregular user would have no idea what so ever that it would be the worst possible way to get to Belconnen.

The Russell stop should have a "Red Rapid" header installed in the top case on the bollard. This shows the suburbs traversed to Belconnen and also includes a stick map of the Red Rapid as far as Gungahlin. While the automated HASTUS information only shows the final destination, as you say, the header includes enough information for people to know it's not a direct service. Or was the header not installed?
Quote from: ajw373 on September 27, 2014, 08:42:33 pm
Someone else mentioned something similar above, but the basic timetable also showed a service at 4:25 which of course was actually the same bus as the 4:40 service but heading to Majura Park first.

Pitfalls of HASTUS automation, as I mentioned earlier. Agreed, this is poor, especially when there's no supplementary header involved.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: The Love Guru on September 28, 2014, 02:31:45 pm
That is why there needs to be inbound and outbound stops in hastus, regardless of the fact that physically its the same location.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: ajw373 on September 29, 2014, 10:00:43 am
Quote from: 743 on September 28, 2014, 02:09:04 pm
The Russell stop should have a "Red Rapid" header installed in the top case on the bollard. This shows the suburbs traversed to Belconnen and also includes a stick map of the Red Rapid as far as Gungahlin. While the automated HASTUS information only shows the final destination, as you say, the header includes enough information for people to know it's not a direct service. Or was the header not installed?Pitfalls of HASTUS automation, as I mentioned earlier. Agreed, this is poor, especially when there's no supplementary header involved.


Yeah but if you look at the bus stop timetable there is nothing what so ever to show the 251 is a Red Rapid. Again it is assumed people know what Red Rapid is and from the stop info knows that a 251 is a Red Rapid.

Again gets back to my point about the info being provided is obviously done by someone who doesn't know how the basic demoniator thinks, and instead assumes everyone knows the timetable and route structure inside out like they do. Once upon a time that would have been me, but to be honest when they went to the single and double digit route numbers and through running I would not have a clue of what goes where.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: 743 on September 29, 2014, 02:04:37 pm
Quote from: ajw373 on September 29, 2014, 10:00:43 am
Yeah but if you look at the bus stop timetable there is nothing what so ever to show the 251 is a Red Rapid. Again it is assumed people know what Red Rapid is and from the stop info knows that a 251 is a Red Rapid.

In this case, there is a header installed which clearly states the 251 is a Red Rapid, and exactly what Red Rapid means (including the stick map, as mentioned previously). As far as I know, all (and if not all, then most) Red Rapid stops have a bollard, and therefore a header. Same for the Blue Rapid. Where this information exists, then there's no reason to just rely on the HASTUS export - the extra information is there, just above it, to be used.

I agree that suburban stops that only show a HASTUS display can be very vague at times.

Quote from: ajw373 on September 29, 2014, 10:00:43 am
Again gets back to my point about the info being provided is obviously done by someone who doesn't know how the basic demoniator thinks, and instead assumes everyone knows the timetable and route structure inside out like they do. Once upon a time that would have been me, but to be honest when they went to the single and double digit route numbers and through running I would not have a clue of what goes where.

There is something to be said though about planning your journey beforehand. I'm not saying you specifically, just in general. Sure, there are reasons for spontaneous travel, but I would say in most cases, people know they have to catch a bus to a certain destination. There's Transit for Google Maps, independent apps (which will be even better once NXTBUS is integrated), the network maps and PDF timetables on the ACTION website, the phone line, and printed timetables (although the availability of those could be vastly improved). If someone just turns up at a stop and hopes a bus will come along, or they're not sure where the routes go, then some of the responsibility must lie with them for that decision. I believe a suburban bus stop timetable is there for reassurance, not total trip planning. Bus Stations, on the other hand, need to be more comprehensive.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: ajw373 on September 29, 2014, 03:13:40 pm
Quote from: 743 on September 29, 2014, 02:04:37 pm
In this case, there is a header installed which clearly states the 251 is a Red Rapid, and exactly what Red Rapid means (including the stick map, as mentioned previously). As far as I know, all (and if not all, then most) Red Rapid stops have a bollard, and therefore a header. Same for the Blue Rapid. Where this information exists, then there's no reason to just rely on the HASTUS export - the extra information is there, just above it, to be used.


Still means nothing if you don't know what it all means. As mentioned I did but going off the info I saw someone unfamiliar may well have got that bus not realising it would take about an hour longer than changing in Civic. Guess the problem with having such long routes, where no-one except a bus fanatic would want to travel end to end on.

Quote from: 743 on September 29, 2014, 02:04:37 pm
I agree that suburban stops that only show a HASTUS display can be very vague at times.
There is something to be said though about planning your journey beforehand. I'm not saying you specifically, just in general. Sure, there are reasons for spontaneous travel, but I would say in most cases, people know they have to catch a bus to a certain destination. There's Transit for Google Maps, independent apps (which will be even better once NXTBUS is integrated), the network maps and PDF timetables on the ACTION website, the phone line, and printed timetables (although the availability of those could be vastly improved). If someone just turns up at a stop and hopes a bus will come along, or they're not sure where the routes go, then some of the responsibility must lie with them for that decision. I believe a suburban bus stop timetable is there for reassurance, not total trip planning. Bus Stations, on the other hand, need to be more comprehensive.


I had no idea what time I would finish at Campbell Park Offices, so very hard to do any kind of planning. It was only the fact I do know some of the bus routes that I even thought to get a bus to Russell and change. Based on the info at the stop the option I would have choose if I knew no better would have been the 4:25 10 to Civic, which would have went to Majura park then back to Cambell Park 15 minutes later. Going via Russell on the Woden bus got me to Civic 10 minutes before the 10 would have got in.

As for the website it is shit, especially on a mobile phone. And if you were to check today you would only be able to find weekend bus services. For some reason weekday, red rapid, blue rapid and Expresso services don't come up, just Saturday and Sunday.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: The Love Guru on September 29, 2014, 03:21:28 pm
Ahhhh, once again society is foiled by the need to bow to the lowest denominator. How about you let people who are too lazy/stupid to actually research their trip a little actually fall on their face.

You don't get in your car without knowing your destination and the way you are going to get there. When you drive somewhere for the first time you generally use a map. Same goes for public transport, if you can't be bothered to put in some effort and do a little research then you deserve to be lost.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: King of Buses on September 30, 2014, 08:31:15 pm
Any reason why the 1 ex-Woden 1108 (BUS 918) went through Barton rather than Fed Mall today? Oh and, those stops on Queen Victoria Terrace still have old blades...as someone said, I doubt they're being serviced.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: 743 on October 10, 2014, 12:58:53 pm
Quote from: King of Buses on September 30, 2014, 08:31:15 pm
Oh and, those stops on Queen Victoria Terrace still have old blades...as someone said, I doubt they're being serviced.

Stops 2241 and 2242 are shown on NXTBUS - so they are designated stops.

Also regarding Route 1, a new PDF timetable has appeared on the ACTION website this week. The 2:38p from Woden is now marked as "school days only".
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: King of Buses on October 10, 2014, 07:15:45 pm
Quote from: 743 on October 10, 2014, 12:58:53 pm
Stops 2241 and 2242 are shown on NXTBUS - so they are designated stops.


By chance, are these the old stop blades that carried the stop numbers like I know some did...Cause if so, that could be why they haven't been changed (yet).

Its good to see buses using Federation Mall frequently again (not counting the former 100...it only went one way :P)
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: 743 on October 14, 2014, 10:51:51 am
Some temporary changes from the ACTION homepage (http://www.action.act.gov.au) Service Updates tab:

I drove down Morisset Rd last weekend, and the number of potholes was absolutely insane - hopefully this is what will be fixed!
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: smitho on October 14, 2014, 09:46:28 pm
Noticed the other day that the DHS (formerly Centrelink) Nxtbus bus stop blade on Athllon Drive, Greenway, is numbered simply "9"....not aware of any other single digit bus stop numbers like this one.
Can anyone explain?
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: King of Buses on October 15, 2014, 07:43:48 am
Quote from: smitho on October 14, 2014, 09:46:28 pm
Noticed the other day that the DHS (formerly Centrelink) Nxtbus bus stop blade on Athllon Drive, Greenway, is numbered simply "9"....not aware of any other single digit bus stop numbers like this one.
Can anyone explain?


There is 2 and 3 on Athllon Dr at Learmonth Dr too.
Those are the only ones that are single digit that I know of, some two digit ones too (32 at the Arboretum and two others there too) and then they go up to 9999 which is at Senior Boys Grammar in Red Hill (and its just in front of a normal stop on the 4. Why not just have one long stop...)
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: The Love Guru on October 15, 2014, 08:49:18 am
If you had just 1 long stop all school services would show up on the NXTBUS info for people looking for the Route 4. Separate stop numbers in places like that are a good idea.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Skitube on October 15, 2014, 12:32:11 pm
Quote from: King of Buses on October 15, 2014, 07:43:48 am
There is 2 and 3 on Athllon Dr at Learmonth Dr too.
Those are the only ones that are single digit that I know of, some two digit ones too (32 at the Arboretum and two others there too) and then they go up to 9999 which is at Senior Boys Grammar in Red Hill (and its just in front of a normal stop on the 4. Why not just have one long stop...)


the three stops in arboretum are not 31-33, but 0031-0033, and if you don't put in the two 0s at the front, you won't get any result
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: King of Buses on October 15, 2014, 03:04:21 pm
Quote from: Skitube on October 15, 2014, 12:32:11 pm
the three stops in arboretum are not 31-33, but 0031-0033, and if you don't put in the two 0s at the front, you won't get any result


:o Facepalm  :o
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Busfanatic101 on October 16, 2014, 06:06:26 am
Quote from: 743 on October 14, 2014, 10:51:51 am
Some temporary changes from the ACTION homepage (http://www.action.act.gov.au) Service Updates tab:

  • Route 57 no longer diverting via Bimberi Youth Justice Centre due to roadworks

  • Route 982 no longer in operation after this weekend (I assume it will return once the roadworks are complete


I drove down Morisset Rd last weekend, and the number of potholes was absolutely insane - hopefully this is what will be fixed!


The way I read it is that they are discontinuing route 982
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: 743 on October 22, 2014, 09:34:33 am
There is a new Route 958 timetable PDF on the ACTION website. The map has changed, it now shows it via Girrahween/Mort Sts (Braddon) in lieu of Northbourne Ave/Cooyong St.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Bus 400 on October 24, 2014, 05:00:02 pm
The stats for September are on the ACTION website ( http://www.action.act.gov.au/About_ACTION/how-were-travelling-page). What's interesting to note is the drop in passenger numbers between September 2013 & September 2014. A couple of hundred may not seem many. But there was meant to be an increase in services for September 2014.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Barry Drive on October 25, 2014, 11:30:44 am
Quote from: ... on October 16, 2014, 06:06:26 am
The way I read it is that they are discontinuing route 982
Same here. Not sure if it ever carried passengers to/from Bimberi.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Skitube on October 25, 2014, 05:31:49 pm
just like the 88 and 988 rarely get any patronage from AMC. i doubt the 88 gets anything from hume either
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Busfanatic101 on October 25, 2014, 05:48:58 pm
Quote from: Skitube on October 25, 2014, 05:31:49 pm
just like the 88 and 988 rarely get any patronage from AMC. i doubt the 88 gets anything from hume either


and chisholm too, as 65, 66, & 67 are all much faster to go to Woden with
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Skitube on October 25, 2014, 08:29:15 pm
Quote from: ... on October 25, 2014, 05:48:58 pm
and chisholm too, as 65, 66, & 67 are all much faster to go to Woden with


of course you don't expect to see pax getting on the 88 to travel from chisholm to woden, unless common sense didn't prevail, or just a bus nut getting onboard.
88 goes to chicholm purely for the purpose of having an extra connection point
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: smitho on October 28, 2014, 04:53:37 pm
Quote from: Skitube on October 25, 2014, 08:29:15 pm
of course you don't expect to see pax getting on the 88 to travel from chisholm to woden, unless common sense didn't prevail, or just a bus nut getting onboard.
88 goes to chicholm purely for the purpose of having an extra connection point


It also provides a convenient toileting point for the driver!
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: 743 on November 01, 2014, 08:32:56 pm
Post-implementation tidy up seems to be progressing. Old stops from the 757 along Phillip Ave, Majura Ave and Limestone Ave had "SCHOOL SERVICES ONLY" blades attached this week. I've noticed that stops in the AIS and Crace no longer serviced have had the blades removed, but the posts left in situ.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Bus 400 on November 01, 2014, 09:32:28 pm


Quote from: 743 on November 01, 2014, 08:32:56 pm
.... I've noticed that stops in the AIS and Crace no longer serviced have had the blades removed, but the posts left in situ.


Out of curiosity,  were the blades in Crace in the weeks after September 1? As it has been noticed that the same stop numbers for the stops on the other side of Jellico Street.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: 743 on November 01, 2014, 09:41:38 pm
Quote from: Bus 400 on November 01, 2014, 09:32:28 pm

Out of curiosity,  were the blades in Crace in the weeks after September 1? As it has been noticed that the same stop numbers for the stops on the other side of Jellico Street.

From memory, they were gone pretty quick - so may have just been shifted, as you suggest with the stop numbers.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: King of Buses on November 02, 2014, 04:47:10 pm
Scantlebury Cres in Theodore has had SSO blades added. So has the stop on Chippindall opposite Theodore Terminus (not the middle one but the far side) so presumably all of Chippindall.

Sternberg in Wanniassa between Mackinnon and Langdon has had them added too (even though 967/968, 961 service them on weekends...)

Heagney in Chisholm between the two Louisa Lawson's has also even though they're serviced by the 967/968...)

Noarlunga in Bonython is missing its blades now too...Poles are still in place with paper signs saying stop not in service...)

The stops on Tom Roberts in Conder between Jane Sutherland and Wiburd may have SSO's too now...will have a look tommorow on my way past...

Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: smitho on November 02, 2014, 08:24:13 pm
Noticed last week that the plastic bus shelter outside The Canberra Times in Fyshwick has been removed as has other evidence of a bus stop once being there.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: King of Buses on November 20, 2014, 03:36:54 pm
http://www.action.act.gov.au/news/news_articles/supply-of-network-14-weekday-bus-books

"Some adjustments"...Would this have something to do with the supposed shift spill in January?
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Busfanatic101 on November 20, 2014, 05:22:12 pm
Does anyone know if/where Network maps are available???


went to Woden Canberra connect and they said they hadn't been supplied with any although they'd asked for more 2 weeks ago
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Bus 400 on November 20, 2014, 05:49:26 pm
Due to a review in Network 2014, no more books at least will be reprinted. I'd say that would count to network maps as well.

While I had time this morning before a site induction, it looks like the blades have been changed over near the National Archives.
In other news, the new stops on Streeton Drive & Cotter Road look opened.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: smitho on November 20, 2014, 09:45:22 pm
The Streeton Drive stop northbound wasn't being recognised by Nxtbus when I checked a day or two ago....don't know if that other one - at the intersection on the Cotter Rd - will ever be used by routes turning out of Streeton Drive....suspect it is intended just for routes proceeding west to east along Cotter Rd.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Bus 400 on January 25, 2015, 02:25:27 pm
Quote from: Busfanatic101 on October 16, 2014, 06:06:26 am
The way I read it is that they are discontinuing route 982


The Route 982 wasn't discontinued & I only realised/remembered to check today that it returned once Morisset Road was reopened. Same for the 57 presumably.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Busfanatic101 on February 25, 2015, 05:36:33 pm
This morning, I was running late to school and the 57 came to plt 8 (City Bus Stn), and began loading up. 30seconds later, another 57 northbound followed. That driver was clearly confused as to why there was another one of him, and pulled up next to the first 57 to find out. From what I overheard, the first driver said something along the lines of "the usual driver of the 57 is always very late, so they had had him run a second 57 at the right time, so there are always 2 buses running that service". I was like Whoa, since when did ACTION care about late buses, let alone supply a second bus to run on time with the late one still following. There are so many other services which could benefit from a additional run rather then wasting a bus to make sure a service runs on time.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: King of Buses on February 25, 2015, 06:21:06 pm
Quote from: Busfanatic101 on February 25, 2015, 05:36:33 pm
This morning, I was running late to school and the 57 came to plt 8 (City Bus Stn), and began loading up. 30seconds later, another 57 northbound followed. That driver was clearly confused as to why there was another one of him, and pulled up next to the first 57 to find out. From what I overheard, the first driver said something along the lines of "the usual driver of the 57 is always very late, so they had had him run a second 57 at the right time, so there are always 2 buses running that service". I was like Whoa, since when did ACTION care about late buses, let alone supply a second bus to run on time with the late one still following. There are so many other services which could benefit from a additional run rather then wasting a bus to make sure a service runs on time.


What?
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Busfanatic101 on February 25, 2015, 08:38:44 pm
Quote from: King of Buses on February 25, 2015, 06:21:06 pm
What?

basically, the driver that's meant to be doing this run is always late, so ACTION has provided an additional driver+bus to operate this run on time, to be followed by the real driver of this run who is usually late. who, in today's case, wasn't late at all (probably a fill-in driver), resulting in 2 northbound 57s operating the same 57 service together. I don't know if this is any clearer. If anyone understands and thinks they can do a better job, please try for me
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: The Love Guru on February 25, 2015, 09:07:06 pm
Don't know if it's clearer but i can assure you that what you are saying is incorrect.
There are no spare buses nor drivers in the AM peak to operate an additional trip unless it has been added to a shift on a permanent basis. I am not aware of this happening and if shifts were to be modified they'd fix the late running shift.
I have to wait for a bus most mornings as all the available vehicles have been allocated and hence can say with compete confidence that this 'additional' route is certainly not a spare bus and driver.

If i were to take a guess, it is either a driver who finishes early in the city helping out or the late running service being that far behind that the service after it has caught up with it.
I'd also check that the correct desto was displayed as in the mornings around 825am i know that routes 57 and 58 depart together.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Barry Drive on February 26, 2015, 10:13:35 am
Can you give an exact time? Also: don't (always) believe what you hear.
Title: Re: Network 2014
Post by: Busfanatic101 on February 26, 2015, 09:31:33 pm
this was 8:50am, exactly when it was scheduled. Both were actually operating the 57, and highly unlikely either being 30mins late/early, even for ACTION, and neither were in a hurry as they would be if they were that late. I know what I heard, and that's what the driver told the other driver anyway.