Network 08 General Dicussion

Started by Irisbus Rider, January 11, 2008, 09:51:42 AM

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Irisbus Rider

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I'm thinking that a month isn't enough time to accumulate all the suggestions that we have given ACTION over the past weeks, as I'm assuming the Network will be complete and ready to go by February. I hope they even took note of our suggestions!

Busnerd

Well I'd assume they would have already started writing the network out, and basic timetables, and after reading all the suggestions they would then make any changes accordingly. Before then doing a second draft which, im now thinking will be put out online first, for final viewing so that they still have a month to fine tune it.

So im thinking they will come out at the end of february online. And the timetables will come out a week before the new network in print form.

Barry Drive

It's now March, and there is no sign of the new Network on ACTION's web site. I want to know whether they disregarded all of my suggestions, or just some of them.

Plus I want as much time as possible to learn the new routes.

Bus 400

I sent them an e-mail yesterday about when the info will be released & if any changes are to be made following public comment.

Buzz Killington

there was a story tonight on WIN News about a petition signed by 300 patrons of the 769 angry because it wasnt being included in the new network.

Leaving it a bit late considering when input closed, no comment from the government either, just the usual lame "disgust" from has-beens like Brendan Smyth who wouldn't catch a bus if his life depended on it.

But my pure dislike of the ACT Liberal Party aside, there isnt any real replacement for the 769, apart from the 788 and 789 servicing parts of Calwell and Chisholm.

They won't make changes once the info is released. They'll make them maybe six to eight months into the network

Irisbus Rider

Yeah, exactly, thhats the problem, we only had one chance, and there are minute changes that ought to be made just to tweak the system, and use it to it's maximum potential.

Bus 400

I have been going through my records from the end of '06 & I remember ebing told by a driver that the Intertown routes would be altered in the Network '07 (Network '06 Fix Up) where they wouldn't go suburb-intertown-suburb as break downs meant that there were big gaps between services (312 breakdown in Theo meant 2 hour wait in Belco for next 312) & this is exactly what has been down in this Network.

Irisbus Rider

Well, drivers also said the 333 would come back. It sort of did...

I prefer this Intertown setup, it's much better.

Buzz Killington

agreed. its not like anybody except enthusiasts caught the whole length of the 31# routes anyway (and yes, i know thats not the idea)

Irisbus Rider

It's just that they stuffed up the 312/315 in the southbound portion of it, the 111 is just stupid! I hope that gets cleared up.

I say bring back the 40/41 and the 310/311 can take over the southbound portion of the 312/315.

Barry Drive

Quote from: Renault Rider on March 05, 2008, 10:28:58 PM
I say bring back the 40/41 and the 310/311 can take over the southbound portion of the 312/315.
Neither of those scenarios are likely to happen. One of the goals of the new network is to have the same route operating 7 days a week. This is why 40 & 41 are being combined as are 30 & 31 (Curtin end) - so that there is only one route at all times.

As for 312/315 - one reason why they are being changed is so that they no longer terminate at Theodore. As evident by the signs at Theo, there is/are nearby residents who do not appreciate having noisy buses parked near their house(s).

Irisbus Rider

Ah, I see, thanks for that information Martin. It's beginning to make sense, and unfortunately, you can't please everyone.

Buzz Killington

pffft.. theodore terminus was probably there before they were

its like moving under a flight path and having a whinge about the noise

Busnerd


Bus 400

Why doesn't ACTIOn just take a leaflet out of Transperth booklet who had this problem when their Network '07 started up with new terminus. They just moced them to emepty blocks. So ACTION could move Theodore Terminus to Calwell Shops & call it Calwell Termnius.

Busnerd

Why do these people whinge, OH NO, I'd hate to put up with 2 minutes per hour of scania high idling...bloody whingers, its only theodore, their houses are only worth like $200,000 anyway.

Bus 400

& that is only during weekdays when most are at work anyway.

Busnerd

I know, they are just a bunch of whingers..yet I bet they complain about lack of services too!

Irisbus Rider

If they didn't before, they will now, ha ha.

Buzz Killington

lol, they whinge about the noise when it is serviced, they whnge about the inconvenience when its not..

Irisbus Rider

Anyone seen the front page of the Southside Chronicle? People whinging about the 37! Pfft, they're not getting rid of it, stupid people.

Barry Drive

Quote from: Renault Rider on March 14, 2008, 09:39:19 AM
People whinging about the 37! Pfft, they're not getting rid of it, stupid people.
Do you know something the rest of us don't? Based on the proposed route structure, the current 37 is being gotten rid of. (The number is being re-used to replace the current 80.)

Anyway, the time for whinging about the proposed route changes is over - bring on the actual network changes and let the proper whinging begin!

Irisbus Rider

The 170 and the 37 has ben re-instated due to overwhelming public response according to a bus driver. It might not be credible, but he did say it.

Bus 400

Quote from: Renault Rider on March 16, 2008, 12:33:17 PM
The 170 and the 37 has ben re-instated due to overwhelming public response according to a bus driver. It might not be credible, but he did say it.

That will be in Network '09 when alot lot of services are improved with routes reinstated & more times added.

O305

Why would they decide on Network 09, before Network 08 has been released?

Irisbus Rider

Quote from: Bus 400 on March 16, 2008, 11:42:43 PM
Quote from: Renault Rider on March 16, 2008, 12:33:17 PM
The 170 and the 37 has ben re-instated due to overwhelming public response according to a bus driver. It might not be credible, but he did say it.

That will be in Network '09 when alot lot of services are improved with routes reinstated & more times added.
No it won't, where did you hear that?
Don't say things if they have no substance or evidence, just don't make things up, it ends up looking like you have pie all over your face.

Due to overwhelming public response, selected services and changes have been altered. Thats why there was a time for public comment, they want to get the Network right this time...............election year.

Sir Pompously

Network '09? Ha. That would be Network '10 for starters (Networks seem to be changed every even year). 170 would be re-instated by assumption as the route is always full (in the mornings when I catch it is) and they were deleting a service, and not improving or increasing services in the areas it served which would leave a huge gap and fuller 60 series routes in the areas. 37 (I think), never caught it but the people are kicking up a stink which ACTION want to try to avoid.

Bus 400

On the odd years they do major fix up of the networks including adding/deleting routes & times.

Buzz Killington

i'd like to remind all members to ensure that speculation should be noted as such, and not as fact.

Irisbus Rider

Ok, what they should do is extend the 7 from it's current terminating spot to to Woden via Hughes, Yarralumla, Forrest and Russell.

Ok, from City, L London, L Constitution, Through Russell, R Kings Av, L National, L Canberra Av, Through Manuka, R Franklin.....L Arthur Circle, L Empire, L Melbourne, R Gawler, R Hopetoun, L Schlich St, L Novar, L Denison, R Carruthers, L Groom, R Wisdom...direct to Woden.
This would provide Woden a direct link to Hughes, A link from Manuka to Yarralumla and Hughes, and a direct link from Yarralumla to Russell.
It would also cover the forgotten streets, such as Wisdom St, Groom St, a part of Denison St, Empire CCT and Arthur Circle.

What do you think?

Bus 400

It sounds good. But as I remember hardly anybody got on/off in those streets (including pre Network '06). But it will be sad in Girls Grammar loose their Woden bus. As quite a lot of them got on the 83 on Empire & caught it express to Woden, rather then clogging up the 34.

Irisbus Rider

Well, it was more for the elderly, but still, it would be a good run to do, plus it'd just be an extension of the 7, taking an extra 20 mins.

Buzz Killington

New stops have been installed on Barr Smith Avenue for route 66 - there used to be two lots of School Only stops between the two ends of Derrington Cres - they've left those there, added new stops opposite both and added two new stops (one each side) between Derrington and Coombe.

Irisbus Rider

Stops have been put in place on Joynton Smith Dr in preperation for the 45.

Sir Pompously

Bus Stop signs and Signal Bus stickers have been placed up at Brindabella Business Park, they were not up yesterday. I am shocked that they have not put one of the new signs out there, but they probably are not ready for ACTION's use yet.

Bus 400

I wonder wether they'll use any of the old bus stops out at Fairbarn?

I actually noticed that Route 62/162 will loose some of its peak services.

Busnerd

Quote from: TP 3000 on May 26, 2008, 11:46:32 PM
I actually noticed that Route 62/162 will loose some of its peak services.

I actually noticed you live in perth..

Bus 400


Busnerd


Sir Pompously

Did not see any old bus stops at Fairbairn when I drove through today, only ones which ACTION have recently erected. A full report of where they are and my journey to Fairbairn coming up in the 6pm edition of Pompously News.

bubzie

I've noticed that they must of deleted the "theodore" destination out of the 315. (and possibly the 312..havent noticed) on the iris's (i'm going to hell for that english, yes?)

because they supposebly all only go to tuggers :D

And apparently they're already taking down the bus stops near the theodore shops..according to my (not so reliable!) friend. I'll see it to believe it.

Busnerd

Im offended i sent them desto files and they didnt even reply, despite mine being obviously better than anything they can come up with

Sir Pompously

*Plays an opening harmony in posh fashion by Mozart*
Good evening everyone my name is Sir Pompously Winston-Smyth. This is the first edition of the Pompously News, and you must be an exclusive member of the Pompous Elite to be able to partake in a miniscule second of this ripping program. I also do wish to apologise for the tardiness of the 6pm edition, I was too busy driving my Bently while drinking a port and smoking my pipe, when I happened to run into a commoner. Don't they know the road is for the rich? Vauxhall, what an inferior product you make which is no match for my glourious Bently!

In public transport news (Not that any of us would dare take those dirty buses, haw haw!) ACTION have erected those poles that seem to stop the buses in an area called Fairbairn. Reports are there is one on Pearce Avenue, Laverton Avenue and Glenora drive, but only in one direction. Fairbairn reminds me of home, tall oak trees, private jets, luxury motor vehicles, large buildings and best of all, no commoners.

Now if you will all excuse me, I am going to drink my Christophers VP, with a pipe and watch some British Porn. So much more elegant than the trashy American stuff.

Thankyou all, commoners may now tune back in..

Sir pompously signing out.



Todd Milton signing in,

Yes bubzie, I noticed something strange with a 315 passing me on Adelaide Ave which just had '315' and nothing more. Plus a frantic message from John exclaiming something about a bus with the route 11 on the desto.

Buzz Killington

You're a tool

Quote from: Sir Pompously on May 28, 2008, 06:50:32 PM
I am going to  watch some British Porn.

English Man: (monotone) Almost....Almost.....Almost....There we are
English Woman: well done!

Irisbus Rider

Ha ha!

Apparently, from memory, there are old stops (shelter sort too) somewhere behind the airport. Not much help, I know, but somewhere, behind the airport, with the crappy 50's houses, it has old ACTION stops. Isn't it Fairbairn?

The Love Guru

Desto's have been reprogrammed progressively for the new network. Those buses that are reprogrammed will only be displaying the route number to avoid confusion and the accidental display of incorrect route numbers.

Buzz Killington

makes sense

being in the know, chris, are we not going to see any .2's on Route 4? Or are they going to order some new blinds that have the alphabet characters?

Irisbus Rider

Good point, MkI .2s might not been seen around there as much anymore, which would be a shame.....

Busnerd

Anything can display EAST/WEST except for .2 mark 1's which would have to display 4 PALMERSTON or 4 HARRISON BELCONNEN but that wont work for the city, i dont see why they didnt name one of them the 1...

They better have used some of my desto suggestions.

Buzz Killington

whoops, should've specified that i meant the Mk1's...

as if they would listen to a logical suggestion, we'll still see shit like "10 BRINDABELLA PK"

If they had any bloody sense they'd add more destinations in:

319 LANYON MARKETPLACE / via Intertown / Bonython / Conder / Banks

The Love Guru

I'm 99% sure the .2 i was in had just 4 and not 4E or 4W, will check it out when i'm next in one

Irisbus Rider

Ha, then it'll end up like the 905, Page / Scullin / Higgins / Kippax / Macgregor / Dunlop / Fraser West.

There are people standing in front of the bus for at least 30 secs just reading it, lol.

Buzz Killington

more information would be better than just a final destination

Sir Pompously

Quote from: Renault Rider on May 28, 2008, 07:31:54 PM
Ha ha!

Apparently, from memory, there are old stops (shelter sort too) somewhere behind the airport. Not much help, I know, but somewhere, behind the airport, with the crappy 50's houses, it has old ACTION stops. Isn't it Fairbairn?

Couldn't see any, and I went past the 50's Barrack's housing in there aswell, only the new Pole style stops with the Yellow sign. If you get a chance, take a look in there as it is open to everyone. Just remember John, the speed limit is 40km/h and no more. :P

Buzz Killington

last time i was in fairbairn there were some old stops there

Sir Pompously

A Black and Yellow bus stop peg has been installed outside Quamby Detention Centre for the 8 service City bound. I did not sight one for the Woden bound services, but one would assume there would be a stop there. Interesting they used a Peg stop, instead of the newer signs. The peg however was well used.

Majura Business Park has a stop built not at Brand Depot but where the concrete walkway ends on the leadup to Brand Depot. No signs are found at the Brand Depot stop.I will get the name of the street when I can be bothered.

Busnerd

Isnt it Spitfire Ave or something

The Love Guru

Gungahlin town centre stop out the front of Woolies (not the current Raiders club stop) now has 2 fancy new 'totem poles' out the front.

Also not sure if anyone else is aware, but according to the new route directions (i have been told, yet to confirm for myself) certain services will be running through city west as part of their route, i believe the route 2 is one of them. I'll confirm this later on once i've had a read through the new routes.

Buzz Killington

there's a "totem pole" on northbourne avenue too, where platform 10 is.

Sir Pompously

Quote from: Busnerd on May 31, 2008, 01:37:06 PM
Isnt it Spitfire Ave or something

Just looking at maps.google.com it looks to be on Dakota Drive or Catalina Drive. I love their Aircraft Themed roads!!

I must get to see these totem poles whenever I get off my sore butt, however I only used to go out there for Hungry Jacks and Maccas Out Gunners way with Mathew (And the odd time John), however Mat is kinda not here...... Sigh. I spose I could head into 'City'.

Busnerd


Sir Pompously

I noticed today the Totem Poles that were up (They look nice) and it seems all interchange signage has been changed over (Civic was being done when I passed through). Some stupid IF's were looking at the Maps and Timetables for a route today when it clearly stated 'Commencing Monday 2 June' or 'From 2 June 2008'. Erindale had the timetables changed over, which was interesting even though most tiems are the same, however it is still a day before they launch phase one into 'Action' and people do seem to travel on weekends!

bubzie

Southlands mawson was done on at least saturday morning or something, because i tried to read the timetable on there on saturday afternoon, and was like "..wait. these arent right?? ahh!"

Barry Drive

Quote from: Chris_Guru on May 28, 2008, 08:00:10 PM
I'm 99% sure the .2 i was in had just 4 and not 4E or 4W, will check it out when i'm next in one
It's true. I had a .2 yesterday and had a look at some of the destos. They also have not programmed a 4 that terminates in City, despite many of them doing so. Also the desto for 10 only goes to Campbell Park - not Fairbairn Park.
Quote from: Chris_Guru on May 31, 2008, 02:27:35 PM

Also not sure if anyone else is aware, but according to the new route directions (i have been told, yet to confirm for myself) certain services will be running through city west as part of their route, i believe the route 2 is one of them. I'll confirm this later on once i've had a read through the new routes.
Route 3 (former route 34) will travel through City West/Marcus Clarke St on the way to/from the Museum.

The Love Guru

The route 2 does go through the City West interchange, comes off Commonwealth av, London ct, (L) University Av, (R) City West Interchange, Cont Marcus Clarke, (R) Alinga St, (R) Northbourne Av to platform 10

bubzie

i've already done all of the 11 today, and jesus crist..i was in a dart for half of it, and oh my god, it would of been interesting listening to it go up the hills in theodore! (it struggled in calwell!)

lukeo25

i've done the 21 from woden and thats it for 2day

Buzz Killington


Lockie

My "4 West" bus had the number of "44".

I heard one of the operators at the Belco bus interchange mention that it may have been a programming error.
This happened to both my morning and afternoon bus.

Buzz Killington

i saw one or two Mk2's doing the 4 and both just had 4

Irisbus Rider

Yep, buses with the 4 will have 4 on the desto, ha ha.

On a serious note, it won't be 4E or 4W, there's no need, just read the desto.

Busnerd

The scania destos have been stuffed up, so get used to seeing things like

3152 OUT OF SERVICE as it has displayed the previous desto number with the next desto..

seriously these new destos suck, i sent action a file, they didn'`t use it, which is bad news for them because they've really stuffed up these ones.

Jack Bauer

Regarding Destos - I noticed the otehr day a 4 in Griffith (a .3 was doing it) that had like 5 or 6 scrolls... and noticed a MkI going through 'bundah the other day ona 5 with Gungahlin which made me laugh, but Ive noticed most of the MkIIs just put up City Interchange and obviously change it at the City.

lukeo25

i saw a desto on friday sayin "I AM OUT OF SERVICE" at drakeford dr

Barry Drive

With the Scanias they have changed the panel and you can enter a route number which will appear with any of the un-numbered desto signs. You can enter up to 4 characters - numbers and text - which will appear with the sign. This of course can lead to more desto shenanigans (see Multimedia).

Busnerd

well i also expect you to use this for good as well as evil, for example you can now do..

4W PALMERSTON
4E HARRISON

but also evil like

400 CANBERRA AIRPORT
A1 CANBERRA AIRPORT

and so on..

Irisbus Rider

Yay, ha ha. At least it'll make the destos more interesting.



Time for my rant about City Interchange.

Firstly, the 2. Is i supposed to go through City West? I have been on a few 2s, nortthbound and southbound, when a passenger will press the bell approching City West, the driver will go straight past it, and drop off either in front of Subway and the construction site (Northbound 2), similarly with the 3, it will drop off in front of the Police Station after City West. WTF???

Also, the 2 southbound goes via London CCT (intertown route), opposed to the Northbound 2 going via London CCT West and City West. The same run shouldn't go two different directions! alternatively, it might take a few extra minutes, but the southbound 2 should go via London CCT West, Left onto Edinburgh Ave, Left onto Parkes Way, then onto Commonwealth Av. It might take an extra 5 mins, but it would provide consistency for the City West area.

With the 3 and City Interchange, it is just stupid! It comes off Alinga St, turns right onto Northbourne Av, passing platform 10. Left onto London, Left into the Interchange, then stops at the platform, then left on Alinga again, left onto Northbourne, passes Platform 10 AGAIN! Then onto London to continue the route. It loops over itself! The smart thing to do would be to change the service so the southbound service arrives/departs on platform 10. Then the southbound 3 can roll straight through. As well as avoiding the confusion of the 3 departing on platforms side by side. Some poor elderly lady ended up at Belconnen, as she got on the 3 in the wrong direction!

I think thats all, so far.......

Buzz Killington

your ideas intrigue me and i wish to subscribe to your newsletter

Barry Drive

Quote from: Busnerd on June 13, 2008, 06:44:22 PM
well i also expect you to use this for good as well as evil, for example you can now do..

4W PALMERSTON
4E HARRISON
You can only use it on un-numbered destos so the 4 can't be changed.

Quote from: Renault Rider on June 13, 2008, 07:26:52 PM
Time for my rant about City Interchange.

Firstly, the 2. Is i supposed to go through City West? I have been on a few 2s, nortthbound and southbound, when a passenger will press the bell approching City West, the driver will go straight past it, and drop off either in front of Subway and the construction site (Northbound 2), similarly with the 3, it will drop off in front of the Police Station after City West. WTF???
John, there is much confusion about Route 2 (at least from me). The southbound route does travel along London Circuit as you say but the northbound route goes along University Ave / Marcus Clarke St. There is a sign at City West which states that routes 2 and 3 do not stop there (even though it is shown as a stop on the route 3 timetable). There was an update at the depot which stated that route 2 does not travel 'through' City West - but it still travels along M-C St.

As for platform 3 - it makes some sense. Both routes 2 and 3 southbound travel the same way until they get to Deakin Shops. It does make sense to have both routes depart from the same platform to prevent confusion.

My much larger concern with City Interchange is platform 10. It should not be used for regular route services. There should be a way to fit its routes into the normal interchange, even if it means that Deane's services have to be moved.

Irisbus Rider

Yeah, I have just been informed that CityWest is not even serviced by the 2 or the 3! Wasteful, in my opinion.

As for City Interchange, I now see why the 2 and the 3 depart from the same place, thats understandable, but the "loop the loop" of City Interchange is so time consuming!

As for Deanes, do they even have any right to be using that platform? If they don't, they should be oved to Northbourne Av. City Bus Interchange is layed out over such a large area, it's riduculous. If I'm coming from Fysnwick and heading to Braddon, I have to walk from Platform 8 to 10, which is a long way, even for a normal person, not to mention the elderly.

lukeo25

the 720 also goes through city west in the mornings but don't know about evenings