With the new Scania K320s set to enter service from next week, there will be 77 (or so) Renaults to be withdrawn. This topic is for discussion of all withdrawals from June 2014 onwards.
A possible candidate for the first withdrawal has arrived at Belconnen Depot: 874. Too soon to be certain though.
Are the 77 or so buses to go just the PR100.2's? If so, I wonder how much longer the PR100.3's will be around for...
Is it safe to say that by the time the last Scania K320 is delivered (2017??) there will be no PR100.2's left?
nope, if they go one for one on age everything from 933 onwards will be safe
Quote from: volvo on July 01, 2014, 08:10:44 AM
Are the 77 or so buses to go just the PR100.2's? If so, I wonder how much longer the PR100.3's will be around for...
Is it safe to say that by the time the last Scania K320 is delivered (2017??) there will be no PR100.2's left?
Both good questions. The answer to both at the moment is: we don't know. There could be some PR100.3 withdrawals (see below), but the bulk will be PR100.2s.
As to how much longer the PR100.3s will be around - that's up to the ACT Government. They have committed to 100% low floor by 2022, but given these buses are already 20 years old, I don't know if they can remain in service for that long.
Quote from: ACTbusspotter on June 21, 2014, 01:50:23 PM
A possible candidate for the first withdrawal has arrived at Belconnen Depot: 874. Too soon to be certain though.
874 ended up not being withdrawn - it appears as though 990 has been withdrawn instead.
Quote from: volvo on July 01, 2014, 08:10:44 AM
Are the 77 or so buses to go just the PR100.2's? If so, I wonder how much longer the PR100.3's will be around for...
Is it safe to say that by the time the last Scania K320 is delivered (2017??) there will be no PR100.2's left?
Understand that the priority will be retiring PR3s rather than PR2s ....
Smitho given the current refurbishment (semi-refurbishment) of some of the PR3s such as 108 and 120, this has clearly changed
992 and 928 have both seen the seat refurb treatment too
998 & 999 as well.
I can confirm that 990 is being withdrawn, but I'm uncertain whether it was due to the new buses or some other reason (accident / mechanical failure). Given their age though, I wouldn't be surprised if any Renault with accident or mechanical failure is withdrawn rather than repaired from here on out.
928 has MAN type seat material I think, just double check when you get back tonight.
I was behind it yesterday and can confirm that at least the back seat is done in MAN fabric...pretty safe to say the rest is all done as well.
Quote from: Captain Skybed on July 01, 2014, 11:58:36 PM
Smitho given the current refurbishment (semi-refurbishment) of some of the PR3s such as 108 and 120, this has clearly changed
Am reporting what I've been told...they may (or may not) be wrong.
But the comparatively low availability of PR3s, due to their high maintenance requirements, makes them a prime target for withdrawal.
Low availability must be a T issue as they are no better or worse than the .2s at B.
Entire pr100.2 bus in rainbow pride? Now that will look interesting!
After going past Woden earlier in the week, I noticed quite a few PR100.3's. Many with ads on the back and one was green (presumably 992).
Does anyone know what has and hasn't being withdrawn?
Also with 860 being withdrawn, 878 was at T Depot in 860's spot.
I believe since the site has been down 991-995 as well as 885 have been withdrawn!
990-995 and 885 are withdrawn. 896 possible candidate as requires engine work done to it. Wait and see on that one.
Quote from: Captain Skybed on July 01, 2014, 08:56:45 AM
nope, if they go one for one on age everything from 933 onwards will be safe
Quote from: ACTbusspotter on July 01, 2014, 10:40:22 AM
As to how much longer the PR100.3s will be around - that's up to the ACT Government. They have committed to 100% low floor by 2022, but given these buses are already 20 years old, I don't know if they can remain in service for that long.
874 ended up not being withdrawn - it appears as though 990 has been withdrawn instead.
As we have seen, ACTION don't really seem to be retiring buses on the basis of age - but regardless of that, you're right, there will still be some Renaults that are safe. The question is, how long will they be safe for? As you pointed out ACTbusspotter, the newest of the Renaults are already about 20 years old...
Actually, I'd be interested to know on what basis ACTION withdraw their buses - I've been on some PR100.2's that seem in good condition, they ride comfortably and they're not too loud, and they get withdrawn soon afterwards, but I've been on others that seem like they should have been withdrawn months ago...
Finally - where do these buses go? I've seen a few of them pop up on Pickles, but not anywhere near as many as are withdrawn - surely a bus removed from service is not going to be in poor enough condition to go to scrap (unless it's had an accident)?
Quote from: volvo on August 01, 2014, 12:03:19 PM
Actually, I'd be interested to know on what basis ACTION withdraw their buses -
Finally - where do these buses go? I've seen a few of them pop up on Pickles, but not anywhere near as many as are withdrawn - surely a bus removed from service is not going to be in poor enough condition to go to scrap (unless it's had an accident)?
The next few withdrawals should answer the question of the basis for withdrawal. At this point, only the prototype PR100.3 buses (or PR100.2½ as they are sometimes referred to) have been withdrawn. I'm
expecting all 10 PR100.2 Mk1s to go next with other withdrawals based on operational requirements.
ACTION have offered buses for sale directly and through Pickles but, given the age of the vehicles and low demand for step-entry buses from private operators, those that don't get sold are being sent to scrap. Current scrapyard is Access Recycling at Fyshwick, where several buses (including artics) are visible from Lithgow St.
Report from Woden:
991-994 spotted, 991 and 994 at the back, 992 and 993 at the front
550 still there, no sighting of new CB80s
no sightings of additional darts
no sign of 995...
Quote from: ACTbusspotter on August 01, 2014, 01:15:02 PM
At this point, only the prototype PR100.3 buses (or PR100.2½ as they are sometimes referred to) have been withdrawn.
Sorry, I don't know that much about the PR100.3's - but they have some of the mechanical parts from the PR100.2's, don't they? If so, wouldn't it make sense to keep them, as some parts for the PR100.2's would fit them...
I suppose 25-year old (approx) high-floor buses aren't really a very big market, like you said.
To paraphrase what I've heard, some parts for the Irisbuses are becoming hard to come by (lol), and these parts can be sourced from the PR100.3's, which may be part of the reason we've seen 990-995 withdrawn.
Quote from: volvo on August 02, 2014, 05:31:08 PM
Sorry, I don't know that much about the PR100.3's - but they have some of the mechanical parts from the PR100.2's, don't they? If so, wouldn't it make sense to keep them, as some parts for the PR100.2's would fit them...
That's hardly a reason to keep them, especially when there are over 100 real PR100.2s in service.
Take a look at the specifications (http://actbus.net/renault-pr100-3-specifications/) for the PR100.3 - the buses after 995 (i.e. the ones not withdrawn) have a different spec: Euro 2 engine, intercooler and better brakes.
Given that Austral Denning are no longer around, I wouldn't be surprised if 990-995 were all kept for use as body part donors to keep the remaining vehicles going for the next 8 years.
Makes perfect sense now.
"Spring into ACTION" blurb refers to Network 14 improvements including "Cleaner = Improvements to our older bus fleet"....no further details given.
May be unrelated to these improvements, but an elderly PR2 (800 series) I had yesterday was spotless inside...upholstery in good nick and deep cleaned, immaculate windows and floor. Had been a long time since I'd seen an oldie looking this good. Can't recall number.
I was on Bus 903 today and noticed the same thing. It was very clean and pleasant, and the engine was very quiet and smooth as well so perhaps ACTION are doing up the older buses mechanically and cosmetically.
Quote from: volvo on August 07, 2014, 04:18:39 PM
...so perhaps ACTION are doing up the older buses mechanically and cosmetically.
Some are still as rough as ever...
cough..912,948...cough ::)
But maybe they aren't up to those yet in terms of giving them special clean-outs or whatever
Withdrawn today (?): 852. Which probably indicates that no more PR100.3s will go. 9 Mk1s now remain.
Quote from: King of Buses on August 07, 2014, 07:39:57 PM
Some are still as rough as ever...
cough..912,948...cough ::)
But maybe they aren't up to those yet in terms of giving them special clean-outs or whatever
Either that, or they're prioritizing which ones to refurbish and just not bothering with others; it would make sense to not bother with ones soon to be withdrawn, but to do the refurb on buses that will be in service for a few more years.
Just out of interest, because I don't know that much about ACTION's previous fleets - what has the longest time ACTION have kept buses in service been?
Quote from: ACTbusspotter on August 11, 2014, 06:12:18 PM
Withdrawn today (?): 852. Which probably indicates that no more PR100.3s will go. 9 Mk1s now remain.
Only 9... not enough! Surely some Darts can be sacrificed instead!
Quote from: ACTbusspotter on August 11, 2014, 06:12:18 PM
Withdrawn today (?): 852. Which probably indicates that no more PR100.3s will go. 9 Mk1s now remain.
there goes the oldest in service... they're starting from head end again...
Quote from: volvo on August 11, 2014, 08:18:04 PM
Just out of interest, because I don't know that much about ACTION's previous fleets - what has the longest time ACTION have kept buses in service?
The current Renaults hold that record i think. They never used to keep buses around this long. (Refer to the disposal summary on the ACT Bus fleet wiki)
Quote from: Skitube on August 11, 2014, 10:49:23 PM
there goes the oldest in service... they're starting from head end again...
853 is probably next then... A pity though, its a really good MKI... Then again, its the same story as last time with the Artics.. They all have to go :(
Quote from: Buzz Killington on August 11, 2014, 11:16:04 PM
The current Renaults hold that record i think. They never used to keep buses around this long. (Refer to the disposal summary on the ACT Bus fleet wiki)
As I thought. Although, I guess buses probably last longer now than they used to because of new technology and so forth.
Quote from: King of Buses on August 12, 2014, 08:44:07 AM
853 is probably next then... A pity though, its a really good MKI... Then again, its the same story as last time with the Artics.. They all have to go :(
No they don't! We can live without these new Scanias!
Quote from: volvo on August 12, 2014, 05:18:36 PM
No they don't! We can live without these new Scanias!
We could, but the Renaults would all die eventually. They are already 20+ years old and much longer may kill them (or at least a lot of them).
Quote from: King of Buses on August 12, 2014, 07:26:15 PM
We could, but the Renaults would all die eventually. They are already 20+ years old and much longer may kill them (or at least a lot of them).
I was only being semi-serious but that is a very good point. Although that being said, it seems to me that ACTION withdraw some buses that still could easily have a few years of life left in them... there is the point that they're high-floor buses though.
119 remains on the western end of the Tuggy bricks where old buses go to die. ....or at least stripped of any good parts (which may be hard to find in this case).
It retains its MyWay kit but its Nxtbus stuff has been removed.
Not entirely withdrawal related, but a PR2 MKI without a bike rack or front the bike rack fleet numbers was travelling along Drumston St, Isabella Plains then left onto Ellerston (doing a 65? - no - the actual 65 was a MAN diesel about 5 mins before). This was around 1120 this morning. Does anyone know why? It may have been the recently withdrawn 860 but I don't know.
^ Most likely it was 858 on training duties.
Quote from: King of Buses on August 21, 2014, 07:17:59 PM
Not entirely withdrawal related, but a PR2 MKI without a bike rack or front the bike rack fleet numbers was travelling along Drumston St, Isabella Plains then left onto Ellerston (doing a 65? - no - the actual 65 was a MAN diesel about 5 mins before). This was around 1120 this morning. Does anyone know why? It may have been the recently withdrawn 860 but I don't know.
860 has been back on the Tuggy bricks for a day or two; can't say I noticed if the bike rack was still in place. 119 was moved from bricks to front of Tuggy Workshops this morning; 118 was in Tuggy revenue service this afternoon.
It's that time of year when all buses get re-registered for another year. Well, most of them anyway.
Among the buses to not get their rego renewed are: 852 858 860 885.
Those that have include: 119 991 992 993 994 995 986 - so we might be able to assume that these are not officially "withdrawn" just yet.
986? Re-registered? :popping: Excellent - hopefully that means ACTION won't get rid of it so whoever said before that it may be added to the historic fleet may actually be correct as its been 4 or so months since withdrawal! ^-^
EDIT: Has it been reregistered as BUS.986 or something else?
Quote from: King of Buses on August 23, 2014, 06:16:25 PM
Has it been reregistered as BUS.986 or something else?
Still "BUS986". Everything points to it being kept for the Heritage fleet. Would prefer that it be kept in service though - doing the occasional school run or charter.
Bus 119 was in Tuggeranong Workshops yesterday afternoon, minus all of its wheels.
Hmmm....may be it will live to see another day, or alternatively, it was just the start of a scavenger mission.
991-995 back at Belco today for decommissioning
Maybe
Fair to say 991 thru 995 will be back next week with 991 sighted being detailed for its return to service
Quote from: ACTbusspotter on August 25, 2014, 01:06:40 PM
Still "BUS986". Everything points to it being kept for the Heritage fleet. Would prefer that it be kept in service though - doing the occasional school run or charter.
Yes, being kept in service would be great! But the heritage fleet is better than nothing.
What makes up the "everything" that points to it being kept for the heritage fleet?
Quote from: smitho on August 27, 2014, 01:32:46 PM
Bus 119 was in Tuggeranong Workshops yesterday afternoon, minus all of its wheels.
Hmmm....may be it will live to see another day, or alternatively, it was just the start of a scavenger mission.
If 119's been re-registered, as ACTbusspotter said, then it would be safe to assume that it is being kept in service...
On a slightly different note - I was on 945 for the first time today; what's the deal with the seats? How long have they been like that?
Also, today I was on a PR100.3 (106 I think, but not 100% sure) - I'm pretty sure the side desto was from a PR100.2; can anyone confirm?
Quote from: volvo on August 29, 2014, 07:55:12 PM
What makes up the "everything" that points to it being kept for the heritage fleet?
(1) Has been re-registered
(2) Has kept its number plates, fleet numbers and ACTION logos
(3) Hasn't been sold / disposed
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If 119's been re-registered, then it would be safe to assume that it is being kept in service...
You'd think so, but no assumptions are safe.
Quote from: ACTbusspotter on August 30, 2014, 10:40:54 AM
(1) Has been re-registered
(2) Has kept its number plates, fleet numbers and ACTION logos
(3) Hasn't been sold / disposed
You'd think so, but no assumptions are safe.
119 might go straight into the heritage fleet.
Quote from: smitho on August 30, 2014, 05:52:27 PM
119 might go straight into the heritage fleet.
If that's the case, they'll fill up Woden with the historic fleet before long (just as long as they don't keep an Iris without the other 19 for parts).
When was the last bus inducted into the historic fleet out of interest, and which one?
Quote from: The Love Guru on August 28, 2014, 07:09:16 AM
Fair to say 991 thru 995 will be back next week with 991 sighted being detailed for its return to service
As has been posted on Fleetwiki (http://www.actbus.net/fleetwiki), 993 & 994 were returned to service in late August. 991 & 992 are back at Woden Depot.
852 was recently extracted from Woden and re-registered. Expect it back in service today or shortly afterwards.
852 was in service this morning.
how common is it for withdrawn buses to come back into service?
Very common if there is a shortage of vehicles due to a network change.
Quote from: The Love Guru on September 15, 2014, 06:04:04 PM
Very common if there is a shortage of vehicles due to a network change.
Not many midi shifts in Network '14 have meant that other shifts have gotten the older buses (as 1.drivers
love hate the darts, 2.ACTION don't usually send midis out on std/EURO/STAG/artW/IRIS shifts and 3. Everyone hates the darts (I think) out. I think there is a lack of EURO's as well. Probably preparing for more Scanias... ::) This may have something to do with the buses returning to service.
But yes, lack of vehicles = return to service for the oldies (and goodies! - In most cases...)
Quote from: volvo on August 11, 2014, 08:18:04 PM
... Surely some Darts can be sacrificed instead!
Which is essentially what has happened for Network 14. As
KOB has pointed out, there are fewer Dart shifts - resulting in 6 more Darts being sent to Woden for storage. They have been replaced by 852, 993 & 994 resuming service plus 552, 553 & 554 entering service.
Given the current shortage of buses and the re-working of the shifts for next year, it may be that there won't be any withdrawals for a while. But they might store one or two more Darts and maybe re-store/withdraw 993 & 994 once sufficient new Scanias are in service.
852 was sighted alongside 995 this morning, assumed re-withdrawn after 554 entered service. 551 and 555 were awaiting fit out for service.
And to further complicate matters, Bus 119 is back in service.
Quote from: ACTbusspotter on September 16, 2014, 10:48:25 PM
And to further complicate matters, Bus 119 is back in service.
At Tuggers?
852 - false alarm: was seen in service today.
119 - until or unless there is evidence to the contrary, presumed to still be at T depot.
It would be good to get 852 and several more PR2s based at Tuggeranong as more reliable orange buses are needed there.
I wonder what the chances are of 852 remaining in service for another 8 months? If so, it would be the first bus to be in service for 25 years, wouldn't it?
Atleast buses 714, 715 & 718 all made it to 25 years & older.
Quote from: Bus 400 on September 27, 2014, 10:26:30 PM
Atleast buses 714, 715 & 718 all made it to 25 years & older.
Good point, sorry, my mistake.
Still, it would be nice to see one - if not more - of the current Mk I's get to 25 years.
ex-859, which was sold through Pickles, was sighted today parked at Erindale Centre. NSW rego BZ-19-TN. Still complete with ACTION colours.
Quote from: ACTbusspotter on November 01, 2014, 08:21:07 PM
ex-859, which was sold through Pickles, was sighted today parked at Erindale Centre. NSW rego BZ-19-TN. Still complete with ACTION colours.
I was just about to post my own sighting of it - it was in Palmerston this afternoon. Thought to myself, "why did they take a bike rack off?", then saw the rego. 803 was also parked at The Lakes a few blocks over, so a very old Renault afternoon for the Gungahlin district.
Quote from: ACTbusspotter on November 01, 2014, 08:21:07 PM
ex-859, which was sold through Pickles, was sighted today parked at Erindale Centre. NSW rego BZ-19-TN. Still complete with ACTION colours.
Presumably it had the ACTION logos removed?
I didn't think ACTION allowed buyers of old buses to keep the ACTION livery?
ACTION logos are removed when they are withdrawn to Woden. Buses sold via Pickles do not have any livery conditions - certainly all sold to interstate buyers have not had to change the colours.
Quote from: ACTbusspotter on November 02, 2014, 10:30:42 AM
ACTION logos are removed when they are withdrawn to Woden. Buses sold via Pickles do not have any livery conditions - certainly all sold to interstate buyers have not had to change the colours.
That makes sense, thanks.
Also, I know this isn't strictly relevant to this thread, but why do some of the PR100.3's (such as 126) have most of the windows bolted closed so they can't be opened?
Early last week 854 had a breakdown of some description; it has now been withdrawn. [emoji20]
857 is also a suspected withdrawal, but this isn't 100% confirmed.
So that leaves 8.
Quote from: ACTbusspotter on November 15, 2014, 03:51:18 PM
Early last week 854 had a breakdown of some description; it has now been withdrawn. :(
857 is also a suspected withdrawal, but this isn't 100% confirmed.
Damn, I still haven't ever been on the 857 :-\ and I'll never get to...
Quote from: ... on November 15, 2014, 07:46:53 PM
Damn, I still haven't ever been on the 857 :-\ and I'll never get to...
It may come up for sale, so you could buy it.
852 and 856 passed each other yesterday on 39s, just around the corner from 867 doing a 2!
Not sure if my eyes are playing tricks on me, but on Friday I thought I passed a Belco PR2 Mark 1 painted out in the Mark 2 livery....??
853
It's had the mk2 livery since 2004, and has been at Belco since 2005.
I think the mk2 livery goes quite well with the rollerblind desto actually.
Quote from: ACTbusspotter on November 15, 2014, 03:51:18 PM
857 is also a suspected withdrawal, but this isn't 100% confirmed.
There appears to be a new arrival at Woden Depot. Parked behind 858 (so it can't be clearly seen), there's another Mk1 - which isn't 854 (has standard taillights).
So this is most likely 857, but can't be sure.
(810 and 818 are visible, so it's neither of those.)
Quote from: ACTbusspotter on November 15, 2014, 03:51:18 PM
Early last week 854 had a breakdown of some description; it has now been withdrawn.
854 is now being stripped for parts.
Meanwhile, 866 was towed back last night. Too soon to say, but next withdrawal perhaps.
867 has replaced 854 as the parts bus at Belconnen Depot. 860 has also left Tuggeranong - so it's possible that one or both of 855 and 856 will be the new parts bus for Tuggeranong.
Despite earlier predictions, 866 is still in service. However, 864 is believed to have been withdrawn.
So for those keeping count, that leaves 4 Mk1s at Belconnen: 852 853 865 & 866.
Quote from: ACTbusspotter on February 24, 2015, 11:18:37 AM
867 has replaced 854 as the parts bus at Belconnen Depot. 860 has also left Tuggeranong - so it's possible that one or both of 855 and 856 will be the new parts bus for Tuggeranong.
Despite earlier predictions, 866 is still in service. However, 864 is believed to have been withdrawn.
So for those keeping count, that leaves 4 Mk1s at Belconnen: 852 853 865 & 866.
I'm cross, they're going way too fast >:(
They've been going since 2000.
Quote from: Bus 400 on February 24, 2015, 05:31:00 PM
They've been going since 2000.
I don't care, get rid of the pr3s, darts, and irises first
And don't tell me to stop whinging, I will if I want. No comment required on this post
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They got rid of my PR180.2s. Theyll get rid of the Mk1s PR100.2 s too... :'(
Not sure what's happening with 855 & 856 at Tuggeranong, but 864 has arrived at Woden so it's a confirmed withdrawal.
855/856 were still with the Darts at Tuggeranong today.
865 is now at Woden and has been joined by 128.
128? Why?
Withdrawal of 128 is not confirmed yet. There is a slight chance that it may be transferred to Belconnen Depot.
Meanwhile 866 is believed to have been withdrawn this week, although also not yet confirmed.
One of the Tuggers mk1 buses were in the workshops yesterday evening. The other was still parked with darts. But I suppose that leaves 4 or 2 depending on which way you look at it...
Just a questions about how ACTION are withdrawing these Renaults. Looking through the fleet wiki, it seems that there are a lot of early Mk 1's that were delivered around 1987 and withdrawn around 2000, after about 13 years of service - whereas most of the later Mk 1's have been withdrawn after 20+ years of service. I wonder if there's any particular reason for this? (Or maybe it's ajust a coincidence that I happened to click on particular buses in the wiki...)
Liberal government
A MKI (I believe it was 856...) was at the T Depot where 860 used to sit while it was stripped for parts...seeing as this MKI hadn't a bike rack, nor any My Way etc. I think it may face the same fate :'(
856 is now with 126 in the old heritage bus spot at Tuggers. Neither has moved (to my knowledge, the look like the exact same spots) for a week or so.
866 I believe is being stripped for parts too (its where 860 died). It had 569 and 570 with it too...but I reported that yesterday already.
855 & 879 appear to be recent arrivals at Woden Depot.
884 has been parked behind the rear-axle missing 866 at Tuggers for a week or so now...
It looks intact but I'm not sure if it has been withdrawn...
EDIT: 884 missing MyWay equipment
Missing as in unplugged or missing as in all of the wiring and brackets have been removed?
Not that it's easy to tell the difference from Athllon Drive.
872 was parked on the screen at T his morning...probably waiting in line to go die :'(
Quote from: Barry Drive on July 04, 2015, 07:00:06 PM
... Since it is not a Tuggeranong Mk2, yes. 853 is likely to remain in service until Belconnen starts getting new buses in a few months time.
Spoke too soon. Or else I shouldn't have said anything.
There are reports that 853 is being decommissioned.
Quote from: Barry Drive on July 09, 2015, 12:56:55 PM
Spoke too soon. Or else I shouldn't have said anything.
There are reports that 853 is being decommissioned.
:'(
I've heard the same from a certain driver/board member too...
How long will 856 last as T trainer now?
Maybe 856 will become the heritage MK1?
After all, it is the last bus still in one piece with Blue over Orange livery and 853 is Orange over blue.
Quote from: Bus 503 on July 10, 2015, 06:58:30 AM
Maybe 856 will become the heritage MK1?
After all, it is the last bus still in one piece with Blue over Orange livery and 853 is Orange over blue.
No
881 is parked in the back of the sheds near the darts at Belconnen this weekend too.
^ As interesting as that report is, I fail to see how it is relevant to the quote or the topic.
I read it as two seperate items - the no is a (unfounded) response to the quote. The next paragraph was a seperate point.
Quote from: Barry Drive on July 13, 2015, 10:53:36 AM
^ As interesting as that report is, I fail to see how it is relevant to the quote or the topic.
The no was to the quote. I reported 881 here as I thought it may have been parked there behind the B darts cause it was going to die.
Quote from: King of Buses on July 13, 2015, 03:31:26 PM
The no was to the quote. I reported 881 here as I thought it may have been parked there behind the B darts cause it was going to die.
The Darts are parked are parked behind other Darts & they never seem to die. So it'll never work with for a Renault.
856 has disappeared again from tuggeranong...apparently for good.
882 is now parked where it was...
872 still amongst the Tuggers PR3s which also haven't moved
From what I've been told, 856 is the Belconnen trainer, and 882 is the Tuggeranong trainer.
No idea on 872, but apparently 875 is at Belconnen to be decommissioned
Quote from: Buzz Killington on July 15, 2015, 08:24:38 PM
From what I've been told, 856 is the Belconnen trainer, and 882 is the Tuggeranong trainer.
I know 128 has been doing regular runs even with the training bus sticker on it, but will 126 go back in service replacing a withdrawn 127 or is it going to die now too? I reckon 128 will keep that training bus sticker for a while like 879 did when it was trainer.
Don't see why. If they thought they needed more buses, then they wouldn't have withdrawn so many.
Although I'm not yet convinced 872 is withdrawn - it could make a return next week. (Not that my track record at making predictions is good.)
If current info is correct, Tuggeranong is down to 207 active buses - which is their lowest point for some time.
Quote from: Buzz Killington on July 15, 2015, 08:24:38 PM
From what I've been told, 856 is the Belconnen trainer
Which may have been correct for a day or two, but 856 is now believed to be fully withdrawn. Still awaiting further reports about fate of 127, 872 & 875.
Quote from: Barry Drive on July 16, 2015, 01:14:09 PM
Although I'm not yet convinced 872 is withdrawn - it could make a return next week. (Not that my track record at making predictions is good.)
Saw 872 operating runs both morning and arvo
872 spotted doing runs this afternoon- I can see that fleetwiki has been updated
Quote from: Busfanatic101 on July 28, 2015, 04:24:33 PM
872 spotted doing runs this afternoon- I can see that fleetwiki has been updated
The way it works is this - based on reports (now proven incorrect) that 872 was withdrawn, it was marked as withdrawn with a note to say it was unconfirmed; that immediately led to sightings of the bus in service. If it was then changed back it would
that same day have been withdrawn.
So when it comes to potential/unconfirmed withdrawals, always best to wait a few days before making any updates. Being parked at Woden is usually the best way to be sure a bus is withdrawn.
A Mark 2 PR100.2 (I am fairly certain it is 876; no front Renault/MACK Badges) without fleet numbers, ACTION logos, and perhaps without a set of numberplates (bit hard to tell from Athllon Dr) is parked behind the 'decomposing body' as such of 866 at Tuggeranong Depot.
882 is still next to 126 in the Training bus spot(s). 126 hasn't moved for a while I think...
872 is awaiting Workshop treatment at Tuggeranong Depot. Not sure of what exactly but it is intact (bike rack, MyWay, fleet nos. etc.) and sits alongside 978 and another PR100.2 Mk2...
It might be going to be withdrawn; it may not...
866 has disappeared from Tuggeranong Depot. Gone to scrap at a guess...(not confirmed)
876 has moved up to where 866 was now too.
Well considering it had no rear axle there isn't many other places I'd imagine it would end up...
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So, has 127 been withdrawn or not?
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Yes, no, maybe. I don't know. Can you repeat the question? ...
Quote from: Barry Drive on August 11, 2015, 08:20:26 PM
Yes, no, maybe. I don't know. Can you repeat the question? ...
Okay.... The fleet wiki has been displaying the info that Bus 127 has been withdrawn for some time (a month or less) but also states that it is
assumed withdrawn. Has it been confirmed that 127 has been withdrawn, as the fleet wiki generally is updated soon after the claim is made, to say
Bus 127 widthdrawnfrom service[\i] this without the assumed if confirmed.
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Maybe this will explain things: https://youtu.be/J8y8Ziwswe0
*Shakes head at not understanding what is going on*
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Wow.
It's assumed to be withdrawn, but not confirmed. That's why it still says assumed withdrawn.
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This is an interesting thread to watch...with popcorn of course! :P
Seriously though, assumed withdrawn is like saying a new bus is now thought to be in service...you just have to have sightings of it to confirm it is or isn't!
I for one haven't seen 127 for quite a while...has anyone looked out the back of B workshops perhaps?
Quote from: King of Buses on August 12, 2015, 07:10:27 PM
Seriously though, assumed withdrawn is like saying a new bus is now thought to be in service...you just have to have sightings of it to confirm it is or isn't!
No. It's not that simple. A bus may not be in service, but that DOESN'T mean that it's withdrawn - only that it's not in service.
My advice: be patient.
872 is out the back of B workshops without fleet nos. Not sure if it has a bike rack still be most likely withdrawn now...I believe it is with 127 too...
I believe the technical term for 872 is "rooted"
878 has disappeared from Tuggers Depot. Cannot find it in service either. It may have gone to Woden...
Did you check Fleetwiki? Maybe that will provide some clues.
(By the way: withdrawal of 877 and 878 are also only assumed, not confirmed.)
Quote from: Barry Drive on August 18, 2015, 01:35:50 PM
(By the way: withdrawal of 877 and 878 are also only assumed, not confirmed.)
That is why I didn't take the word of the fleet wiki as gospel...
I was simply pointing out it has finally left the T workshops after many days there and I haven't seen it in service (in support of the withdrawal assumption).
"Assumed withdrawn" is based on more than hunches. We only use it when we have (non conclusive) evidence suggesting a withdrawal
853 is at Woden depot in front of 818 and 995 without Fleet no's or ACTION logos. Appeared some point before yesterday afternoon...
Quote from: King of Buses on August 11, 2015, 01:24:09 PM
866 has disappeared from Tuggeranong Depot. Gone to scrap at a guess...(not confirmed)
876 has moved up to where 866 was now too.
It looks lie 876 may be being prepared for sale, with what looks like a fresh repaint & fleet numbers removed. Otherwise, removing fleet numbers won't stop people reading fleet numbers of scrapped buses.
Quote from: Bus 400 on August 29, 2015, 07:21:38 PM
It looks lie 876 may be being prepared for sale, with what looks like a fresh repaint & fleet numbers removed. Otherwise, removing fleet numbers won't stop people reading fleet numbers of scrapped buses.
I wonder why 876. Isn't it partially scrapped?? And what does the new repainted colours look like??
Quote from: King of Buses on August 29, 2015, 05:34:53 PM
853 is at Woden depot in front of 818 and 995 without Fleet no's or ACTION logos. Appeared some point before yesterday afternoon...
Renault Withdrawles State of play, suggests that 853 has been at Woden for quite a while now... I should really stop treating it as completely facts, some fiction might be in there? ;)
While going past Woden last week, for the first time in months, I saw an MK1 blue over orange parked right near the fence visible to all who were passing. Which bus is this?
Quote from: Bus 503 on August 29, 2015, 08:42:23 PM
I wonder why 876. Isn't it partially scrapped?? And what does the new repainted colours look like??
Renault Withdrawles State of play, suggests that 853 has been at Woden for quite a while now... I should really stop treating it as completely facts, some fiction might be in there? ;)
While going past Woden last week, for the first time in months, I saw an MK1 blue over orange parked right near the fence visible to all who were passing. Which bus is this?
876 looks the same as before (I.e. directly after having fleet nos removed). I think it has just had a clean...
853 may have been at Woden for a while but it has recently moved to in front of 818 and 995.
A Mk1 bus in Mk1 livery has recently been parked diagonally behind 986 where a dart was...
EDIT: 876 definitely has not had a repaint. The difference in paint colour from where the logos were is still visible. The lack of front badges may be a reason it looks so 'new' (because when it had a bike rack it was hard to notice that).
Quote from: Bus 503 on August 11, 2015, 07:24:59 PM
So, has 127 been withdrawn or not?
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As reported by Mr Drive today on Twitter, Bus 127 has been moved to Woden Depot & has been unregistered. This would be a definite withdrawal.
Bus 878's registration wasn't renewed for the next year, so it is withdrawn.
852 was seen partially crushed by yours truly at Access yesterday.
If I'm correct, all 870 series are now unregistered.
Quote from: Bus 400 on September 05, 2015, 09:52:02 PM
Bus 878's registration wasn't renewed for the next year, so it is withdrawn.
But it is fairly simple for them to be re-registered, provided they are still in one piece.
877 has returned to service at Belconnen.
Quote from: Barry Drive on September 09, 2015, 02:30:14 PM
But it is fairly simple for them to be re-registered, provided they are still in one piece.
Which has happened for Bus 878.
Quote from: Bus 400 on September 17, 2015, 09:35:16 PM
Which has happened for Bus 878.
877 is at B, 878 is somewhere in the ACT. Does anyone know where 878 might be?
And does anyone have an insight over what will happen to 870 , 871, 874, 875, 853 and 856 & the other things at Woden? (Having a read through the forum suggests 991, 992 & 995 will be used for parts.)
878 is at B depot. The buses at woden will either be gradually parted out (as per 991, 2 and 5) or stored in as is conditio for sale at a later date....my money would be on parts.
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872 is now at Access Scrap Metal
810 is at Tuggeranong as parts donor. 876 presumably sent to join 872 for scrap.
Quote from: King of Buses on November 12, 2015, 05:07:19 PM
810 is at Tuggeranong as parts donor. 876 presumably sent to join 872 for scrap.
Why was it kept at Woden for so long with 818?
887 withdrawn. It may have just made it to 25 years in service though :popping:
888 and 889 withdrawn.
Quote from: #Domelight Drew on September 18, 2015, 07:46:07 PM
878 is at B depot. The buses at woden will either be gradually parted out (as per 991, 2 and 5) or stored in as is conditio for sale at a later date....my money would be on parts.
Unsure if this has been noted, but 878 at Woden. Probably since 128 went to Belco (because it is where 128 was next to 127).
And 899 has been withdrawn. It is at Woden Depot and has been since yesterday at least.
894 and 920 withdrawn from service (to be confirmed, but very likely)
Turns out neither were withdrawn. But 892 & 895 have been.
128 (or what's left) is back at Tuggeranong in between 810 and 891*
* : Thought to not be withdrawn
I spotted a PRO MkII at Access Recycling yesterday. I was in the good work van, so I couldn't drive it in for a closer look.
857 was towed from Woden to Belco yesterday, while 102 was recently towed from Belco to Woden.
Seems strange, at least to me (cause of the numbering removal sequence), that 916-919 have been decommissioned, yet 894 and 898 are still kicking. Is that a brakedown + parts issue?
Quote from: Sylvan Loves Buses on November 10, 2016, 02:59:35 AM
Seems strange, at least to me (cause of the numbering removal sequence), that 916-919 have been decommissioned, yet 894 and 898 are still kicking. Is that a brakedown + parts issue?
It's not strange when you consider which depot they are withdrawing PR100.2s from.
Quote from: Sylvan Loves Buses on November 10, 2016, 02:59:35 AM
Seems strange, at least to me (cause of the numbering removal sequence), that 916-919 have been decommissioned, yet 894 and 898 are still kicking. Is that a brakedown + parts issue?
It should also be noted that withdrawals are not always done in fleet number order. For example, the second reasonably sized batch of Mk1 Renault withdrawals back in 2004 took in buses between 697 and 834.
The monthly movements page is a great way of tracking this data: http://www.actbus.net/fleetwiki/index.php?title=Monthly_Movements
Seems strange now that the first of the Mk1 Renaults were withdrawn in April 2000 (677/678) and it wasn't until July 2015 that the last one (853) was withdrawn.
Quote from: Sylvan Loves Buses on November 10, 2016, 02:59:35 AM
Seems strange, at least to me (cause of the numbering removal sequence), that 916-919 have been decommissioned, yet 894 and 898 are still kicking. Is that a brakedown + parts issue?
There isn't a lot of difference between them. They would be seen as a 25yo bus, and unless a Belconnen bus were to have a major mechanical issue there isn't really any point in swapping them around. They are all well past their use by date and in some cases are bordering on unroadworthy (mainly due to corrosion)
I meant it seemed somewhat strange to me.
I know there's no reason that ACTION has to remove them in a numerical order, cause there's already been the 913-915 gap thats been there for the past 10 years or whatever.
Anyway, I checked out the wiki the other day to see all the recent removals - so I could somewhat update my book and list all my last trips on each decom-ed bus, and I was surprised by some of them, including 118 and the 916-919 bunch. Sad to see them go, but everything has its time.
They didn't really have a choice when it came to 914. Like 797 before it, there was no way it was going to be repaired and returned to service.
Oh well of course, that crash was unfix-able.
I just had a peek at the fleet list again, although it says 882 is a Tuggeranong Trainer bus, there's no chance that I'd ride it next year right? In a sense, it's removed from service, but not as yet decommissioned?
Peek* (I hope)
Trainers have ended up back in service before, but 882 is probably unlikely to do so given most 800 series have been withdrawn.
Quote from: Buzz Killington on November 12, 2016, 10:40:18 AM
Peek* (I hope)
Trainers have ended up back in service before.
878 was one such example.
For the first time in ages, the is a gap of a few buses at Woden Depot.
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LWF (who is far too important to lower himself to posting in a forum) has reported that 993 was towed from Belconnen Depot this morning, possibly destined for Access Recycling.
Quote from: Barry Drive on December 21, 2016, 07:29:00 PM
LWF (who is far too important to lower himself to posting in a forum) has reported that 993 was towed from Belconnen Depot this morning, possibly destined for Access Recycling.
WOOHOO! Lets hope 992 went with it.
Quote from: The Love Guru on December 22, 2016, 09:57:56 PM
WOOHOO! Lets hope 992 went with it.
Bus 992 is sitting safe at Woden Depot, ready to reappear.
993 confirmed at Access
It's been a while since the last update in this topic, so for those who don't check the wiki, withdrawn Renaults since December are:
131, 998, 894, 898, 999, 903, 902, 904
For quite some time, as each new delivery came into service, a Renault was immediately retired. But, there have now been 7 new buses put into service with only 921 transferred to training duties. I wonder if this break in the pattern has any significance?
Quote from: triumph on August 05, 2017, 11:07:59 PM
For quite some time, as each new delivery came into service, a Renault was immediately retired. But, there have now been 7 new buses put into service with only 921 transferred to training duties. I wonder if this break in the pattern has any significance?
Err... Different depot?
Belco knows they can just take any new bus they want, whereas Tuggers values each and every bus :)
Can't blame us that they're stuck with the irises :P
The last few flipdot PR2s don't have long :'(
Which reminds me - do we know if we're likely to see PR2s or PR3s go?
Quote from: Busfanatic101 on August 05, 2017, 11:44:57 PM
Which reminds me - do we know if we're likely to see PR2s or PR3s go?
We don't know. My guess is that there may be some of each to be withdrawn. Since there won't be any more withdrawals for a while, they might select troublesome buses rather than stick to strict date order.
But by 31 December, there will need to be 10 Renaults withdrawn to achieve 80% low floor.
Update: the 3 remaining flip dot PR100.2s have been moved to Woden Depot, along with 922.
Quote from: Barry Drive on August 06, 2017, 11:11:16 AM
Update: the 3 remaining flip dot PR100.2s have been moved to Woden Depot, along with 922.
Don't know which depot that shift is out of, but 935 ran the 64S from Woden at 4:25pm today. So 935 at least is temporarily back in action and flipdot photos still obtainable
Tuggeranong PR3 Update
120 which has been marked withdrawal to be confirmed on fleetwiki is just came through Fadden running a 67S.
122 - 124 have also been seen today, 125 boarded yesterday, and 119 last sighted 17/8.
121 I haven't seen since 28/7
Yes, 120 still in service and will be restored at the next available opportunity.
With 641 now in service, there could be a new withdrawal soon (maybe 935 for good this time)
121 was sighted yesterday by King of Buses, so it's still active (for now).
936 may have been involved in an accident this morning on 67 on Coyne Street - tripmate showed it stationary there until after 8 am, while the following bus due there at 7:55am detoured around Coyne street. 936 was displayed to have eventually resumed its run 30 minutes late. The ACT ESA site showed an accident there at 7:29:37, which is within a minute of when the bus is scheduled through there.
936 in service today. So whatever happened, it wasn't serious enough to be withdrawn.
Quote from: triumph on August 05, 2017, 11:07:59 PM
For quite some time, as each new delivery came into service, a Renault was immediately retired. But, there have now been 7 new buses put into service with only 921 transferred to training duties. I wonder if this break in the pattern has any significance?
What are the chances that they have delayed withdrawals as they require an increased fleet size for the upcoming network, with potentially some of the PR2s to be transferred to Belco?
Quote from: Busfanatic101 on August 29, 2017, 10:22:44 PM
What are the chances that they have delayed withdrawals as they require an increased fleet size for the upcoming network, with potentially some of the PR2s to be transferred to Belco?
I'm not sure Belconnen have much room to spare for any extra buses. They had enough trouble fitting 621 in, I'm told. Though I'd say it is likely the new network is why there haven't been as many withdrawals as there have been deliveries - whether it is a permanent increase is not certain though. Might have something to do with 710 and 712 too.
Can't rule out a slight increase in fleet size, but they have to reach 80% low floor by 31 December 2017. Right now with 2 new low floor buses in service it is at 79%. Even counting the Darts they are under 80%.
While 935 remains using a flip-dot it becomes the most likely next withdrawal candidate - especially with a Network change not far off. But definitely expect some withdrawals by 31 Dec.
I noticed 3 more P2s have been withdrawn. Could it be possible to have an exact date of the withdraw on them please, it would really help out.
Quote from: Sylvan Loves Buses on September 16, 2017, 09:46:33 PM
I noticed 3 more P2s have been withdrawn. Could it be possible to have an exact date of the withdraw on them please, it would really help out.
I didn't mention it because I'd forgotten 936 was supposedly withdrawn (has been marked as so on fleetwiki since 8 Sep), but I have it down on my sightings list for Friday (15th). And definitely not an error because I remember its flaky rear number which took me a moment to work out whether it said 936 or 938. It was laying over in Woden, I think in the afternoon. So it seems to have been reinstated at least temporarily.
935, 121, 123, and 124 were still running as of Thursday (14th)
Also, could we have withdrawals back to being displayed on the recent changes list on fleetwiki?
Can confirm 936 still in service as of 20th Sept 2017 as I rode on it on a route 1 service yesterday afternoon.
121 is also still out and about. Rode on it on route 319 service the day before (19th).
936 was definitely removed to Woden Depot but has since returned to service.
The new question is - has 935 been seen since 936 was reinstated?
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A 99# series PR3 (fairly sure 996, but the removed fleet numbers weren't so clear) without a bike rack and missing its rear bumper was being towed by the ACTION tow truck Northbound on Erindale Dr (cnr Ashley Dr) at 9:05am (and continued up Yamba at least to Farrer) this morning. Getting scrapped?
King of Buses has reported that Bus 997 is now the parts PR100.3 bus at Tuggeranong Depot.
So that confirms that it was 996 which was removed, presumably for scrapping.
Are any withdrawals or transfers expected with 711 and 652 onwards entering service?
From what I've been told, no more Renault's will be removed from service till at least 2020 - something to do with the Woden Depot upgrade.
You'd think that 652+ (depending on the frequency & running time) would cover the 53/953 until the new network starts.
Quote from: Sylvan Loves Buses on June 11, 2018, 01:13:14 AM
From what I've been told, no more Renaults will be removed from service till at least 2020 - something to do with the Woden Depot upgrade.
Yes. That was (probably) the plan when they were ordered. But since Network 18 consultation has yet to commence, the only need for extra buses in the short term are for route 53.
So I wouldn't be surprised if once a few Volgrens enter service we see Renaults sent to "storage" until they're needed again.
For sure, esp with the lack of any work being done to the depot atm. The two current depots do have a limit in how many buses they can hold, so I was thinking the same.
Despite what was mentioned above, Bus 104 is believed to have been withdrawn due to a mechanical failure. Although there is also the possibility it will be repaired at a later time.
We may know for certain once the annual bus registration renewal occurs.
The annual bus registration renewal exercise has occurred. No spoilers, but it does appear as though seven buses which are currently in service won't be by the end of next week. Watch this space and/or the cage at Fyshwick for further updates.
104 has not been renewed, nor has 915 which hasn't been seen in service for some time.
I saw 915 the other day around Woden
Quote from: Barry Drive on August 22, 2018, 12:22:45 PM
The annual bus registration renewal exercise has occurred. No spoilers, but it does appear as though seven buses which are currently in service won't be by the end of next week. Watch this space and/or the cage at Fyshwick for further updates.
The fleet wiki now shows 7 PR100.3 taken out of service. What is it about the PR100.3 that has resulted in recent years in a large part of the PR100.3 fleet being removed from service before all the older previous model PR100.2 are retired?
It's mostly due to the lack of part replacements. If something goes wrong, they can't always fix it, and I guess the 3's are a little more dodgy than the 2's.
Quote from: triumph on August 31, 2018, 11:45:05 PM
The fleet wiki now shows 7 PR100.3 taken out of service.
Eight if you include 104 which was withdrawn in June for (allegedly) mechanical reasons.
As was stated above, they may not be permanently withdrawing buses at this moment, just putting them aside for re-use later.
Of the PR100.3s, 16 now remain in the fleet; with a further 22 buses still to enter service will these remaining buses also be temporarily withdrawn?
If the PR100.3 withdrawals are for temporary storage, that seems sensible as the older PR100.2 could be more intensively used until worn out or uneconomically maintainable.
Sylvan's suggestion re parts availablility is causing PR100.3 withdrawals is possible, if the vehicles were required for cannibilisation, but that doesn't explain withdrawal of the 6 youngest.
My earlier curiosity is thus not satisfied, as quite a few PR100.3, from oldest to newest have already been permanently withdrawn in recent years.
Service entry of PR100.2 span from Aug 1990 to June 1993 with 900, the current oldest, in Feb 1993.
Whereas service entry of PR100.3 span from June 1993 (991) to Aug 1996. Current PR100.3 span from May 1994 (107) to January 1995 (125).
So all the PR100.3 were younger than any PR100.2 at service entry. As such it could be expected that (with the possible exception of a major uneconomically repairable failure/writeoff) all would outlast the PR100.2 but this is far from the case with 17 (including 6 of the newest) already retired before the recent withdrawals. Are some of those 17 also stored for possible re-use?
In essence, what is wrong with the PR100.3?
Well due to Renault stopping the production of parts quite a few years ago, the cannibalism has been necessary, but the choice of which buses they do it with is most often either random, or they withdraw to strip due to a part they can't replace. I have wondered myself why they don't do it in the numerical order, and it seems this is the main reason. The younger buses sometimes just die off faster than the older.
Many people/drivers don't like the 3's for many reasons - quite like the Iris, and although I know nothing about the mechanic side of them, I know someone who is and they've said quite a few things about them.
With the storing, I would say that's mostly due to there being no room left in either of the two depots due to all the new Volgrens, at least while we wait for Woden to get rebuild.
There was recent doubt that 913 is out of service. Definitely not (yet) as seen today mid afternoon at Westfield Station, Belconnen, in service.
With 9 new artics still to enter service this year (an unknown number of which are destined for Belconnen Depot), Bus 913 will remain on "withdrawal watch".
Given the limited space at B depot, good chance it may be a 1.5 to 1 replacement strategy.
I'm pretty sure I saw it on Tuesday or Wednesday this week in the City. It's hard to remember every number I see during the course of a week, but if not I'll certainly keep my eyes out and let you guys know if I see it again genuinely.
913 was spotted at 5:21pm passing through City Bus Interchange today by yours truly with route 40 on its display.
Past Tuggeranong Depot on my way to Queanbeyan on Saturday, noticed most of the latest removed from service P2s right up the back up again the fence. I know that on the wiki it says they've been decommissioned, but are they really, or are they just being stored in this temporary spot waiting for the new Woden depot because of there being no space anywhere else for them at the graveyard or whatever?
Quote from: Sylvan Loves Buses on October 29, 2018, 02:17:07 AM
I know that on the wiki it says they've been decommissioned, but are they really, or are they just being stored in this temporary spot waiting for the new Woden depot because of there being no space anywhere else for them at the graveyard or whatever?
I do believe the wiki says that those PR100.2s (plus the PR100.3s which are also there) have been withdrawn from service, not decommissioned.
so those don't mean the same thing in this case?
No, withdrawn from service means just that, withdrawn from service meaning they are sitting around not doing anything, however are not decommissioned, meaning they retain their registration and are there in case they need them, such as a shortage of buses, or in the current case, keeping them handy in case they're needed for the new network.
Once they are decommissioned, the registration is cancelled and generally parts are taken off them as well including removal of ticket machines and anything else useful, and sent to a storage yard or sent to scrap/sale.
Thank you for clearing that up for me, makes much better sense now. Sorry for the previous comment, it was poorly worded.
So given that, would it be wise to list them anyway in my tally book for next year for that possibility that they might return (even if only for a day)?
What happens in your tally book is your business.