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Infrastructure / Re: Infrastructure Discussion
« Last post by triumph on Yesterday at 11:36:51 PM »
Had a look yesterday at the newly opened Bus Station in Gungahlin.

What was the rush? The area is still a substantial works site and rather congested. Platform 4 was only partially available to use. I think the opening is premature.

Buses from Belconnen and the North now approach via Gozzard and Ernest Cavanagh Sts. Immediately after turning into Ernest Cavanagh there is an entry to a substantial car park on the right with lots of short term users. It is already apparent that right turners into the car park are causing bus delays. I wonder if the Gozzard entry (closed for same reason) will now be re-opened and this one be closed?

The pedestrian crossing 'walk' sign in Hibberson St across Gungahlin Place does not give enough time to legally cross in one go. Worse the buttons on the intermediate median are located out of reach behind the works fencing. So if in the middle, one has to wait for someone at either end to press their button. I timed a legal crossing at 1min 20 sec. The result, already, is widespread flouting of the 'don't walk'. This is potential chaos and aggravation when people wish to cross to between platform 4 and the light rail terminus. Worse, there is the major conflict of buses coming and going (plus ordinary Gungahlin Pl. traffic), all needing to intersect with the pedestrian flow, which will severely inhibit available 'walk' periods.

The bus platforms have architecturally good looking canopies which appear to style match the light rail stations. But, the canopies are quite high and angled up. I wonder at the effectiveness of weather protection and summer shade. Also there appears to be no sheltered walking route planned between the bus and light rail stations. One has to wonder how much thought (neligible?) went into the actual convenience of users.

 Overall, I am not impressed. 

General Discussion / Re: Nextthere - Bus Tracking Application
« Last post by Busfanatic101 on Yesterday at 09:45:31 PM »
Slightly off topic, but this has just reminded me - It seems tripmate Canberra and its family of apps (arrivo, beta mystops) has been removed from the play store. Very unfortunate, was a great series of apps. Wish I'd gotten mystops while I could as that one covered all the regions.
General Discussion / Nextthere - Bus Tracking Application
« Last post by Bus 503 on Yesterday at 08:36:17 PM »
Buses 572-581 have not showed on NEXTTHERE. You can still track them but when you press the info button, they don't show the bus type or fleet number. Is there any reason for this and are other people using TRANSIT TIMES having the same issue?

We're working with NextThere to rectify this (and the issue with bus images not displaying)

This same problem with new buses not displaying properly on Nextthere still exists two years later. I have contacted the developer at least three times and the only substantial response was that something would be done in July 2016, though the problem wasn't fixed. The buses affected are Bus 571 all the way to Bus 641, as well as the electric buses.
I let the developer know where he could get bus information and photos (this website) too.
If anyone has had any success talking to the developer, finding out what the problem is or what is being done about it, it would be great to hear!

I would post some screenshots of the fleet number issue, but coincidentally the Canberra region of Nextthere has gone down and no bus fleet numbers are being displayed when selected and multiple shifts that a selected service is supposed to do before/after is also appearing (how odd) - normally only one part of the shift would appear, not all of it.
I've attached a screenshot of that issue if anyone is interested, where a route 58 gets into Gungahlin and changes into a route 51 to Belconnen nine minutes later.
Photo of the Month / Re: Photo of the Month - May 2018
« Last post by Busfanatic101 on April 23, 2018, 02:37:27 PM »

Bus 900, currently the oldest Renault PR2 in the fleet, prepares to operate a route 62 from Woden Bus Station (Feb, 2018)

QCity Pie Cart 1796 operates school run 66 on Binowee Dr, Googong (March 2017)

Bus 639 with a black-handled DL2 operates school run 554 on Bugden Ave Fadden (Apr 2018)
Photo of the Month / Re: Photo of the Month - May 2018
« Last post by King of Buses on April 23, 2018, 11:36:25 AM »
So from me this month we have...

203 037 giving 508 a lift home from Woden Bus Station

400 departing Woden Bus Station.

and 313 at Woden on a 171 to the City... in PM peak. #destofail
Routes and Timetables / Re: Network 2018
« Last post by Barry Drive on April 23, 2018, 09:41:28 AM »
Yeah, the challenge is to remove "indirect" running which has little patronage and which can deliver more efficient services.

Some loop streets like Louisa Lawson and Templestowe are too significant to cut (IMO). Whereas Jim Pike / Callaway is an easy target, as is Livingston.

Goreen / Euree in Reid, while lowly patronised wouldn't achieve much savings if the 9 was redirected to run along Currong. (Also there's no frequent or rapid service nearby.)

I agree about the idea to consolidate 9 10 & 11 into 2 routes. I'm curious though as to where the Airport rapid service will terminate.
Routes and Timetables / Re: Network 2018
« Last post by Busfanatic101 on April 22, 2018, 09:39:11 PM »
*angry react*  >:(
That's what they all say  :P ;) ::)  "oh no not my street, so much patronage, so far from the alternative bus stop"...

Point taken  ;D

Routes and Timetables / Re: Network 2018
« Last post by King of Buses on April 22, 2018, 08:15:37 PM »
  • Templestowe Ave, (Conder, 19/319)

*angry react*  >:(

What they cut will come down to the amount of patronage, too. Templestowe has quite a bit of patronage, plus it's quite a distance (uphill) from/to Tom Roberts/the one stop that is in use Jane Sutherland/Paperbark to/from the top section of Conder - particularly the top of Eaglemont Retreat. What they COULD streamline is to operate via Humphrey St, in lieu of Jane Sutherland/Tom Roberts/Templestowe. You'd only gain 1 minute at most from that, though. I do not believe Humphrey St is approved for 14.5m buses, however (but it probably could be).

The other thing to bear in mind is that some routes/streets might seem pointless and targets to be cut, but many of those are the only way to get to other streets which need to be serviced to allow access to suburban shops, schools, or the other facilities.
Routes and Timetables / Re: Network 2018
« Last post by Busfanatic101 on April 22, 2018, 05:41:46 PM »

So, what next? Where is the fat in the current suburban route network? I can't think of many areas which would result in longer walking distances but faster journeys (not significantly faster anyway). But here's a few possibilities:
  • Bingley Cres, Fraser (just run Daley Cr)
  • Macrossan Cres, Latham
  • consolidate services to Higgins
  • Bruce - Fern Hill & CIT
  • Cossington Smith Cr, Lyneham
  • consolidate Lyneham Shops services
  • streamline Route 7 equivalent through Braddon
  • reduce service to Duntroon & ADFA - will depend on what happens with Route 11
  • Livingston Av, Kambah
  • run only one side of Newman-Morris Cct, Oxley
  • Bugden Av, Gowrie
  • Jim Pike / Callaway, Gordon
Have I missed any?
Other possibilities may include:
  • Renmark/Eucumbene (Duffy, 25)
  • Louisa Lawson (Gilmore, 67)
  • Templestowe Ave, (Conder, 19/319)
  • Goreen/Euree St, (Campbell, 9)
  • Palmer St (Garran, 3)
  • Moonlight Av (Gungahlin, 58
  • Throsell/Dunstan (Curtin, 2) - could be complemented by a stop on the now duplicated Cotter Rd on 182 and xpressos near underpass (-35.315554, 149.077254)
Some routes are also highly redundant, and could be eliminated with a slight tweaking of existing routes, which in theory could then double the frequency of the retained route
  • 66 - slight alteration of 65 (add 2 mins) through chisholm.
  • Merge 63 and 64 - follow 64 through Wanniassa (eliminate Kambah), replace charlston with Barraclough, Cockcroft
  • Consolidate routes 9, 10 and 11 into two routes
  • etc. etc.
The Playground / Which Terminus Review #3
« Last post by Sylvan Loves Buses on April 22, 2018, 02:29:58 AM »
Please vote for your favourites or least desired, and post any feedback you may have.

A reminder of the past 10 drawings with provided gallery links below each drawing:

21. Bus 152 leaving Belconnen Westfield Station with TC Livery

22. Buses 621, 712 and a MAN A95 Double Decker at Lanyon Marketplace

23. Buses ZIB800 ex-Mercedes-Benz NSW UTA Demonstrator and ZIB315 Leyland National are seen at the Old Kambah Terminus

24. 2 AEC Reliance buses passing the Hackett Terminus

25. 2 Ex-STA long buses in the 'WE ARE CBR' AOA with ex-Newcastle 2619 and a Hino Poncho are seen at Fraser West Terminus

26. 6 Volvo B10M/Volgren buses are seen throughout the Cohen Street Bus Station, each with the liveries of ACTION buses from the 70's.

27. MAN 385 pulled up at the Gungahlin Marketplace

28. Euro 6 Scania 579 on School run 679 with the 'Free CBR Wifi' ad departing Fisher Terminus with Irisbus 305 broken down on the other side

29. Bus 119 passing Watson Terminus in the Transport Canberra livery with 621 waiting on the other side

30. STA's 3419 long bus with a bike rack it really shouldn't have passed by a TBX Bustech, with bus 967 breaking down as it passes a Bustech CDi double decker in the new forest green livery on the other side

Statistics from all drawings:

Total Bus variations used:

(ACTION Buses)

Renault PR100.2
Mk I4
Mk II5
803 Party Bus1
Renault PR100.3
Renault Articulated
Mk I3
Mk II0
Dennis Dart
Euro Class
E6 Scania2
Euro 6 Bustech1
490 (White Scania)0
490 NSW Demonstrator2
710 Electric0
711 Electric0
712 Electric/Diesel Hybrid1
800 Mercedes-Benz O.405 NSW Demonstrator....1
AEC Reliance2
O.305 1980s variant1
O.305 1990s variant0
O.305G 1980s variant0
O.305G 1990s variant1
Ex-ACTION (excluding mentions above)0


NSW Buses
Newcastle 26192
State Transit Authority3
Queanbeyan Volvo1
Queanbeyan 45501
VIC Buses
Other Australian Buses
International Buses
Renault PR:120.51
Volvo B10M/Volgren6

Shelters and signage:

Bus stop signs13
Orange boards9
Old Terminus shelters....5
Old Metal shelters2
Concrete bunkers4

Additional Features requested/used:

Bike racks3
Bikes on racks1
Rear view mirror sets29
Extra Bus Details
Engine grates (per bus)7
Body lines (per drawing)12
Proper window frames (per bus)21
Stickers (per bus)1
Logos/plaques (per bus)26
Window reflections (per drawing)2
Extra wheel details (per wheel set)24
AOA's/Ads (per bus)7
Concept liveries (per bus)1
Alternative liveries (per bus)11
AOA liveries (per bus)5
Shadows (per drawing)5
Sun effects (per drawing)1
Clouds and sky effects (per drawing)....4
Rain themed (with puddles)2
Snow themed (with puddles)1
Birds (per drawing)1
Looking out from within a bus1

Locations visited:

Total - 30 of 47
Terminii....14/23....(Torrens, Red Hill, Weston Creek, Theodore, Spence, Fyshwick, Farrer, Narrabundah, Pearce, Kambah, Hackett, Fraser West, Fisher, Watson)
Interchanges....4/5....(Tuggeranong, Woden, City, City West)
Stations....3/3....(Cohen Street, Belconnen Westfield, Belconnen Community)
Others....9/16....(Mitchel Cemetery, Cooleman Court, Campbell Park Offices, Dickson Shops, Kippax Fair, Kingston Railway Station, Erindale Shops, Lanyon Marketplace, Gungahlin Marketplace)

All previous and future drawings may also be visited at any time with this link -
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